I’ve allready got the movie rights locked down…
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I asked Bemani what their position was on stripping the engine and re-building. Like my dealer, they do not think this is a good idea as the costs (don’t forget Swiss labour rates!* ) can quickly reach those of a new engine.
They also reckon that the chances are slight that anything is salvagable (the dealer said there is a possibility that the head is OK and if so they would credit me about �1600 for that, as they could use it themselves then for another car � I would still get the brand new one).
I find the valves/springs discussion to be the most controversial. I would welcome more explanation � Bemani say the stock ones are up to the 300+bhp � why are they not? What possible disadvantages come from stiffer springs � more wear? Do the stock valves tend to burn out at 300bhp � I’ve not heard anything…
Constructive comments couched in a civil way, if possible please, guys � everyone is entitled to their opinion � even if they are wrong (in your opinion!)
The more reasoned argument I see, the easier it is for me to form an opinion and make a decision � and at these prices I’m happy to listen!
Thanks
*****As for DIY, there is no way I want to embark on anything like that � haven’t got adequate tools, facilities, knowledge, skills, time or inclination. My days of lying on garage floors for hours on end struggling to get the last nut loose (there is always one that won’t budge!) are long gone. I would rather pay a pro and have a guarantee!
The stock valves are perfectly safe to 8700rpm. Going higher Will float the valves. Since you downshifted and overreved the engine, a lot if not all the damage would have been avoided if you had upgraded valve springs. Good springs will not float the valves even up to 10000rpm or more. This would have avoided the damage you have.
The stock valves are also a bit weak especially the exhaust valves. They then to stretch a bit if stessed too much so upgraded valves is a good idea too not to mention they can be lighter.
The oil pump is known to break especially when over revs happen. This will make the pump disintegrate and metal bits will go into the oil galleys in the engine and scratch and damage stuff like bearings, cams etc… So you do want to have a high quality oil pump.
BTW the guys on the celica boards and nutters like me who have the 2ZZ in the MR-S know of the problems of this engine from a long time ago. I would suggest you take a look at some celica boards. If I where you I would get a cheap engine and be done with it. Get a used one. With 2000 dollars you can have a very good one. I got one for my MR-S back in 2003 which had 5000miles for 2000 dollars complete with everything. You can then sell stuff like injectors, head and whatever is salvagable from your old engine. I bet you will be able to get quite a bit of money back.
It may be cheaper to trailer the car over here to get the engine replaced etc rather than in Switzerland.
a lot if not all the damage would have been avoided if you had upgraded valve springs.
The stock valves are also a bit weak.
Any downsides to uprated valves/springs? Who supplies them in UK/Europe?
pump disintegrate and metal bits will go into the oil galleys in the engine and scratch and damage stuff like bearings, cams etc…
So it is almost certain that the internals of mine are totally buggered.
Again, who supplies uprated pumps in UK/Europe?
get a cheap engine () then sell() whatever is salvagable from your old engine () to get quite a bit of money back.
Groan � I’m sure you’re right, but the hassle!!!
It may be cheaper to trailer the car over here to get the engine replaced etc rather than in Switzerland.
Not my idea of fun! Then the hassle with the paperwork (customs / tax exemption & reclaiming / tax declaration in Switz. plus all the waiting). Can’t disregard the amount bof time and nerves this would cost � time is money too!
If the pump disintegrates then hopefully any big stray bits would get stopped in the oil cooler or the filter.
I imagine that the bottom end bar the piston crowns will be fine. It didn’t run very long after the failure.
You’d be surprised how long some engines run without any oil (I cant tell you any specifics apart from one of our engines ran for hours…and survived)
www.pbracing.it do a lot of nat asp tuning on Exiges (valves/heads etc), they sell Piper stuff.
In fact Dave Andrews is a Piper dealer so I’m sure they’ll have something.
If the pump disintegrates then hopefully any big stray bits would get stopped in the oil cooler or the filter.
But wouldn’t any small particles slipping through be damaging enough to wreck it? (I don’t know � I’m just asking because that’s what others have inferred).
www.pbracing.it > do a lot of nat asp tuning on Exiges (valves/heads etc), they sell Piper stuff.
Thanks, but couldn’t find any valve info there…
The filter is designed to stop particles down to ~1 micron level. I’d hope it would stop the big stuff. Your engine only ran for a few seconds afterwards? You can put new shells in it.
I only mentioned pbracing as they’re in Italy so its just next door.
Try http://monkeywrenchracing.com/toyota_engine_packages.html for more general guidelines as to whats available.
Any other firms in mainland Europe or UK?
Had a look at Komo-Tec, but they only seem to offer complete solutions.
I could find you a world class engine builder if you need one. The problem is that he’ll be in the UK midlands, he isn’t the sort of person who you’d find on the web, the racing industry is very much behind closed doors.
I’m sure the mechs at my dealer are competent.
I’m just wondering about the cost of getting uprated valves/springs and oilpump and saying chuck these on it as well. But I would like to see who is offering them in Europe, how trustworthy they appear and what prices they are asking.
Just get them from the US. What is the problem? Send some emails and ask how long it would take. Depending on the postage service you require they can be with you in 3 days.
Fair comment.
I’m when DVA gets back to work on monday we can ask him to see if Piper do any springs. Their on line catalogue is a bit out of date…
As far as the pump goes I would reckon that all the aftermarket pump rotors are made by a firm like Nichols Portland. They make rotor sets for many OEMs. I’ve got a meeting with them in a week or so I could ask their opinion on the failures and they would be happy to knock out a small batch for us. They’re not expensive.
Just get them from the US. What is the problem? Send some emails and ask how long it would take. Depending on the postage service you require they can be with you in 3 days.
I’ve seen people wait literally months for parts from the US � complete with fresh (empty) promises every day. Then, when the parts finally arrive, they turn out to be wrong. I’ve not just heard this from one person.
I realise that there are good and bad firms everywhere and that some US products are great, but personally I am simply not prepared to take the risk. Simply too much potential hassle.
Just get them from the US. What is the problem? Send some emails and ask how long it would take. Depending on the postage service you require they can be with you in 3 days.
I’ve seen people wait literally months for parts from the US � complete with fresh (empty) promises every day. Then, when the parts finally arrive, they turn out to be wrong. I’ve not just heard this from one person.
I realise that there are good and bad firms everywhere and that some US products are great, but personally I am simply not prepared to take the risk. Simply too much potential hassle.
I know the feeling with regards to parts from the states.
If valves/springs and the oil pump are such weak points, it seems strange that no firm in Europe seems to offer upgraded ones.
I’ve not found any at any rate and no-one seems to be able to point me to any!
Speedy if you want the info it’s on moremonkey.com Do you mean to say the Toyota specialest Bemani don’t have a clue ?
If you ask on Eat Me you will be speaking into a large void…but they will be able to help you with painting your shift knob and give you great tips on how to shave your cat…
The more I think about it, the more annoyed I’m becoming.
�10k for Lotus to supply and fit a new Toyota engine. FFS, I can get a 1.8 VVT Toyota with a whole sodding brand new car wrapped around it if I buy a Yaris for a mere �1.5k more
I mean, there is such a thing as a reasonable mark-up, but this smacks of taking the piss!