No offence Frank, but I doubt the authenticy of that diagram or the conditions it was made under… That would put it lower than what the Exige-S is putting out and I’m sure many will disagree on that front. Nice try though…
A diagram is just that: A diagram. What were the temps? What are the other values that would make your diagram more authentic to the highly critized Bemani one?
No stock “S” unfortunatly. I am told that the dyno had new software installed over the weekend. All three cars posted really low numbers ranging from 197-204hp which seemed really odd. The FF275 had logged a 238whp reading less than a month ago with a leaking turbo and could only muster a +/- 202 whp Saturday.
So much for the authenticy of the diagram - the authenticy that you so much value.
PS: Test drove a komo-tec Exige with more than 260bhp (dynod) and it isn’t quicker than my car. Go figure.
No offence Frank, but I doubt the authenticy of that diagram or the conditions it was made under… That would put it lower than what the Exige-S is putting out and I’m sure many will disagree on that front. Nice try though…
A diagram is just that: A diagram. What were the temps? What are the other values that would make your diagram more authentic to the highly critized Bemani one?
No stock “S” unfortunatly. I am told that the dyno had new software installed over the weekend. All three cars posted really low numbers ranging from 197-204hp which seemed really odd. The FF275 had logged a 238whp reading less than a month ago with a leaking turbo and could only muster a +/- 202 whp Saturday.
So much for the authenticy of the diagram - the authenticy that you so much value.
PS: Test drove a komo-tec Exige with more than 260bhp (dynod) and it isn’t quicker than my car. Go figure.
I’ve been on that dyno a number of times tuning and it matches up within 2hp of the dyno-pack at Tri-Point so I know it’s right…Forcedfed use it for their EFI ECU tuning…The truth hurts sometimes, but there it is finally some one with balls enough to post it…now if a Komo-Tech dyno sheet could be posted …The Komo-Tech isn’t faster than your car since it uses the same tune…The “S” is faster plain and simple…as I said I have tuned my car on that dyno in the past…I will go back after I play with a few tuning tweeks…
I’ve been on that dyno a number of times tuning and it matches up within 2hp of the dyno-pack at Tri-Point so I know it’s right…Forcedfed use it for their EFI ECU tuning…
Nope - you should talk to the guys again. The ForceFed underperformed as well at that particular day. Anyway, no point in arguing diagrams without knowing the details of the run. At this point - it’s no more valid than any other sheet you may find. Even if the values are accurate, they’re still dependant on the temperatures and other factors present at that particular day. It’s also quite meaningless to compare dyno sheet of one day of car x with that of car y on another day on a different dyno. It just doesn’t work.
The truth hurts sometimes, but there it is finally some one with balls enough to post it…now if a Komo-Tech dyno sheet could be posted …The Komo-Tech isn’t faster than your car since it uses the same tune…
Sadly, this shows your igorance on the topic. Komotec isn’t the same tune - it’s quite a bit different in fact. Different charger, different engine characteristics, different ECU. The dyno sheets are on the Komo-Tec site. I’m sure you’ll find them.
The “S” is faster plain and simple…as I said I have tuned my car on that dyno in the past…I will go back after I play with a few tuning tweeks…
If you think so. I’ve driven the ‘S’ (in various states of tunes), I’ve also driven the Komotec kit - I would think I have some authority on the subject since I can speak from experience. Even further, the ‘S’ doesn’t come close side by side on the track.
But hey, carry on - I can’t help but think these forums would be a whole lot more boring without a character like you.
I guess this highlights the difference between dyno-diagram masturbation and actually driving the cars. I prefer the latter.
I didn’t know the “S” came in different tunes…I do hope the sun is warm and the sand is soft for ya…dyno masturbation I did have a hard time keeping my hands on the wheel - YouTube I think not just the facts jack…The Forcedfed underperformed as well because that’s what they do, no secret…Komo-Tech use the same ECU and the same 240r tune as Bemani, just have either one come on a fourm and say different…
Sadly, this shows your igorance on the topic. Komotec isn’t the same tune - it’s quite a bit different in fact. Different charger, different engine characteristics, different ECU. The dyno sheets are on the Komo-Tec site. I’m sure you’ll find them.[/quote] ahh yes a sales pitch dyno. The engines are exactly the same, yes they use different blowers one being a compressior and the other a pump, not to mention the poor throttle responce, but they still have to pressurize the same oversized intake manifold designed for a N/A engine, not efficent for a supercharger applicacion, a bit to much internal volume to fill up and so on…not to mention the cam timming with just a touch to much overlap…oh and both Bemani and K/T don’t take into account the temp of the charged air with their ECU mapping…as you can see my ignorance on the topic is showing
I think the point is being made that a NA car being driven at the top of the rev range isn’t all that much slower than an ‘S’. The ‘S’ will pull away slightly from standstill thanks to the torque (although that also depends on how both cars were launched). At the end of the day, the “S” will be far easier to drive quick as the power delivery is more accessible. How much faster it is, is well quite subjective. I happen to think that there isn’t all that big of a difference - not even when you bring in other quicker cars in for comparison.
The notion that a standard “S” is quicker than a Bemani, is well, laughable. I don’t need to care what some dyno across the atlantic showed - I’ve driven them and I have come across enough on the road to know better and there are enough car reviews that have tested these cars independantly. At the end of the day though, everyone is entitled to believe what ever they want.
So if you were to buy an exige now, would you by an NA car or and S?
Im looking at buying one and unsure what to go for. I have driven both, you really have to rev the pants out of the normal car to get any meaningful speed. The S does feel quicker as it builds up the speed from the higher gears, you dont have to change down so often.
Was thinking about buying an NA car then modifying it with a supercharger later down the line, but this would cost much more than just buying the S. Are the modified NA cars with the supercharger that much better than an S? If they are, can you explain how they are better? Thanks for any advice!
Are the modified NA cars with the supercharger that much better than an S? If they are, can you explain how they are better? Thanks for any advice!
more power
more torque lower down
is probably cheaper than an ‘S’ (at least here)
no heat-soak because of better air-water charge-cooler
less weight furhter up
it’s much quicker
At the end of the day, everyone has to decide if they want a Lotus tuned product or an aftermarket solution. I chose the latter for the above reasons.
and he has allready spent way too much money to ever admit, he’d rather have an “S”…but then again you get such soft Swedish sand with each and every Bemani kit with their power point dyno sheets…
Because…
The Swiss are supplying Swedish sand with their conversions? Seems strange that Switzerland with its miles of coastline would need to import sand.
You have to excuse Frank. The closest he’s ever gotten to Switzerland is when he stares at the Swiss girl on the package when he drinks his Swiss Miss cocoa.
and he has allready spent way too much money to ever admit, he’d rather have an “S”…but then again you get such soft Swedish sand with each and every Bemani kit with their power point dyno sheets…
Because…
You may not be aware, Frank, but having had the choice of both and the luxury of being able to drive all cars in question prior to buying one (in fact, even one of five 240R in Switzerland), I’m actually pleased and very happy that I got the one I call my own today.
How much authority do you have to even comment on the subject, let alone what I “supposedly” regret or on the kits you speak, I wonder?
Judging by your posts that for the most part bear little if even no substance at all, makes it hard to believe you are as competent as you act and not just some kid deprived of attention. Must be the internet…
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