I also slightly regret suede for mine too!
Nice updates [mention]Fonzey[/mention] interested to hear how different it feels after Croft
I also slightly regret suede for mine too!
Nice updates [mention]Fonzey[/mention] interested to hear how different it feels after Croft
I should probably clarify that it isn’t THAT bad, just feels like I’m ruining it when my hands start secreting, I’m pretty sure that a good clean every few months will keep it fine. For a road car leather is definitely the right choice though
Just tabbing through some old photos, seen one of my rear engine mount - looks like it has a slotted hole so might be an opportunity to loosen it off and raise the engine a smidge to assist in the exhaust clearance.
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Seems weird that a slotted hole would be used to support an entire engine/gearbox though
Potentially used to assist driveshaft angle? That’s why I’ve got slotted holes in similar places on the Honda conversion…
Yup I guess so, based on a few photos I can find it seems like it should be in the upper position, and mine’s in the lower position. I’m surprised to see a vertical slot like that purely as you’re relying a lot on the clamping force of the through-bolt to keep the engine at that position, but it’s obviously people smarter than me cobbling these things together!
Exhaust mystery apparently solved, loosened off the engine mount tonight, jacked the engine up a smidge then retorqued - now plenty of clearance.
I was in a bit of a trackday smash (as a passenger) a few years ago, was in a modern BMW so very safe and was just in a 3point belt and open face helmet. It was a head-on into a barrier at around 70mph and it hurt a lot… it shook me for quite a while tbh and has given me real issues trusting a car in the wet, even on the road!
After evaluating the damage to the car, my helmet and my back I’ve been really nervous since adding 4 point belts into my car. Had we had four point harnesses in the BMW I’m sure at least one of us may have been facing lasting injuries and when you see the amount of movement a 3pt belt allows in a smash, it really drives it home just how much a 4pt belt is taking away.
I use 4pt belts in the Exige because I fancy my chances more in a roll-over situation - it’s all about compromise but the frontal impact protection with the added weight of a helmet has been niggling at me for a while. Combine that with a new respect for preservation of life since having a baby last October - then it’s with regret that I’ve decided to quit trackdays.
Nah not really, but I have put my hands in my pocket and bought a HANS device. This should really remove the element of compromise from the 4pt belt on track, even if I do look like a bit of a “all the gear, no idea” berk in the meantime.
HANS seem to be coming more and more common in the paddock, so hopefully the stigma is wearing off a bit - I don’t think I drive anywhere near the limit of my car or myself in most circumstances, but it only takes a mechanical failure or an oil leak from the car in front to put you into a position where you’re asking a lot of your seatbelts.
You are quite literally one step ahead of where I am at right now as well.
Ill be interested to see how you get on with the HANS device.
Just fitted 4 point harnesses.
As you, i had a car accident, spending 3 months in hospital, 6 months living under care with my parents due to my head injury and a few hospital visits over the following 5yrs due for the head injury.
My specialist said, if I had a harness rather than a traditional car seatbelt, my injury would have just been considerably less.
I remember going to buy a new race helmet after recovery. The sales assistant asked my budget, I said i wasnt sure, he said “how much is your head worth?”. Good point!!!
Like you two, I had an incident in an Elise due to oil (that was a few years ago) and it still makes me cautious to this day. In my Caterham I use 4 point harness, Scroth Hans, side impact bars, fireproof suit etc. I’m not fast but it makes me feel safer. No stigma. Do what you need to do to feel safer.
Completely agree. Anyone taking the piss because someone else chooses to wear appropriate safety gear is not somebody I want to be on a trackday with!
At one time I felt a bit of a berk wearing a fireproof top, gloves etc. Until my car caught fire on the back straight at Croft!
CROFT UPDATE:
Once again trackday weather forecast was dire, it would be my fourth day in a row of pretty much 100% rain coverage expected during the day :evil:
Had a bit of rain on the way up the A1 but it wasn’t heavy and there was a fair bit of warm breeze so I had hope that things would dry up quickly if the rain let up. (spoiler alert, it did!). On the drive up I gave myself a good talking to and committed to spending time on the wet track to really start learning the car in those conditions. I typically get really hyper sensitive to any kind of lateral movement in the car and end up driving as if I’m sat on top of the car rather than sitting in it, weird thing to explain - but it basically means I’m terrible when it gets wet.
Sighting laps were indeed wet, but after the third time around a dry line was already appearing. Despite the damp the circuit also seemed pretty grippy, especially ‘off line’.
The first proper session was still quite damp, but critically the higher speed section of the ‘esses’ and barcroft had nice dry patches under the trees, I certainly wasn’t fast in this session but I was leaning on the car in the damp bits and getting a feel for it, generally the car had loads of grip and the only time it really got unsettled was on the off-camber turn in point of Tower. Once pushing through the initial understeer on entry the car gripped up nicely and would rotate on demand, this really gave confidence that carried through the day.
I then had to stop channelling my inner Senna as by mid morning the track was completely dry :thumbup:
Some car feedback notes for my reference in future:
-10F/8R is a really good starting point for tracks, if anything it would go stiffer from here keeping the F/R balance roughly proportional to this. Rear slow speed grip is the weakpoint here, but feels very stable at high speed - I think I prefer high speed stability.
-Didn’t hear any scrubbing at 120mm front rideheight, but I imagine there will have been - need to inspect this week
-HANS device was comfortable enough, forgot to attach the tethers though on a couple of sessions I did get a bit car sick though, not sure if the HANS device had this impact or what so might need to dig out my ‘ferry patches’ for next time.
-Kept tyre pressures at 30psi all round, don’t think I need to have different pressures front to rear on the ZZRs.
-Track Torque geo is just something I’m comfortable with, should just save time/money and go back here each time now - it clearly works for me.
Nice bit of driving and a great write up
I must admit I won’t go on track without a Hans now, in the Clio I even got a proper Hans harness from schroth, and it does make them better, I only find it odd when pulling into the pit lane from the garage as it is harder turn your head to see.
I do wonder if your tyre pressures are a little high, on the R888 I used to run 24\25 screaming hot anything more would induce understeer or oversteer depending on where the pressures were to high.
Finally no amount suspension tweaking will stop the inside wheel spinning up, you need an LSD
Nice writeup with some interesting observations… glad you enjoyed it and weather held !
Interesting to note in the second video, the V6 pulled away a bit on the straight, but actually through the bends and under braking, you were faster
Cheers Gents,
I admit 2" belts would make the HANS pretty much invisible - it does take some effort to tighten up the 3"ers without them wandering over the lip of the HANS but once done up tight it’s pretty comfortable really… hopefully I never have to test it’s effectiveness.
I also ran low 20’s when on R888 and A048’s in a previous car, but the ZZR guidance seems to be to aim for 30 - not sure the technical reasoning for this but I’ve always stuck with it and been reasonably happy. I may try lowering a bit next time out if I’m feeling experimental.
Yes I think part of me just chucking it in and mashing the gas on the hairpin was to justify an LSD to myself A driver with more finesse could probably get my car through there without drama, but I did find myself longing for a diff as I started to attack it harder and harder. Soon
Yeah it’s hard to judge my car against V6’s, mainly because driver difference is simply massive on the average LoT day - I’m probably way into the lower percentile of driver speed so probably not giving my car a fair shout, and also the V6’s range in performance massively from what I’ve seen. A ‘standard’ full fat 350 feels like it’s a reasonable match now to be honest, I think their straight line performance is more at the traction end of the equation rather than outright acceleration. The white one in that video (a 350 Club Racer I believe?) was particularly quick compared to others I shared the circuit with.
I also looked at upgrading to using a HANS device for track days, but when I looked at getting a HANS to use with my 4-point Wilans silverstone harness and was told (by Wilans) that it was not compatible with a HANS. I would need to replace the 4-point with a 5 or 6-point.
Not sure what make of harness you have but have you confirmed your HANS is compatible with your harness?
Jamie
Yes good point it’s certainly worth checking, but the Schroth ASM harnesses are indeed HANS compatible: Home - schroth.com | SCHROTH Safety Products [EN]
Excellent - glad to hear it. I might have to switch to a Schroth!
The ASM belts from Schroth are a pretty good compromise in that they give you anti-submarining protection that normally would require a 5 or 6 point belt. For a road car, it’s about the best all round solution from what I’ve read.