Tuner Gp

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I did go for a couple of laps with maddog in his own car that was enough for me

LOL. I did two trackdays with Dave in my car. They are still trying to get the stains out of my race suit. Actually it was hugely helpful to my driving after I saw what could be done. One of my friends has recently accused me of having had my fear glands removed. He should pop out with Dave! Everything I do is in slow motion by comparison.

Just to remind you guy’s lest you forgot, sometimes Dave stains his own duds!!

MADDOG spins out at Donny

Sorry Dave it just had to be done

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Steve i think you may be taking it a bit too seriously, i only entered the tuner gp for a laugh with no preparation whatsoever on the car, unlike yourself and the other teams who did lots of prep before the event and even built cars specifically to win it.
We didnt even turn up for the practice session the day before !!!
Chill out and show us how good it is next year

I’m nicely chilled thanks! My car is usually setup for hillclimbing on crossply slicks and had my best guess at setup for 48Rs which worked well. I didn;'t enter expecting win and I didn’t build my car to win the Tuner GP - I built it to win the Gurston Down Hillclimb Championship.

I was only responding to your comments above - if they were tongue in cheek then it was hard for me to read - a big problem with forum text!

The Audi cars entered weren’t built for the Tuner GP. SteveG has looked after the yellow Elise for years and the owner has always wanted the best from it, hence it now has a 360+bhp Audi conversion in.

The other Audi is a road car that’s had much conversion to be made suitable for racing. It was built for racing not for the tuner GP.

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Say what you like, but I know for a fact that you IM’d persons on this forum digging for information regarding my rods.

Do I need to ask for them to post your messages to get you to admit you’re at fault again?

I can’t see how you can profess to know anything about good engine building given you’ve produced so few - and one of those seized on Emerald’s rollewrs to such an extent that it nearly threw the car off the rollers despite it being strapped down…yet you explain that away as a bolt in the cam cover.

Whatever the fault, it was till a fault with your build and for one who likes to be so condecending I suggest you get your own house in order first before slagging others.

Diagnosis of any failure, K or K20 is always useful to any engine builder, those tuftrided Chambron cranks have a reputation for breaking, so why wouldn’t one want to know what happened. Talking to Neil Brown Engineering about the K20 failures in BTCC has been an interesting and useful experiance…

As far as your claims about Jonny’s engine, you are talking nonsense, but why don’t you just check with DW , he will put you right on your little fantasy.


At the end of the day , jonny needed a new belt and sprocket, you need a whole new engine.

simon

So backing down on the IMs then, don’t want me to post them…you were asking around, digging for dirt to use in your usual fashion to attempt to discredit DVA. When will you stop your pathetic crusades…? 2017, after you’ve built an decent engine perhaps…?

I know exactly what happened with Jonny’s engine thanks. Remember, one of us is friends with Dave Walker.

At the end of the day, you [censored] up Jonny’s build. My builds have lasted for 10s of thousands of miles, won me two hillclimb championships and 5th and 6th at the tuner GPs - your engines have acheived nothing but a few track days and 10 minutes on the dyno before going pop.

Come back when you have proven results.

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You know for a fact…

Steve, there’s a common element on your posts, Simon is not inherently wrong on anything he says, nor are you.
Just chill out.

From the owner of said engine himself:

This was my Exige,and for those interested these are the facts.I fitted the Simon Erland built K into my car and after some fuel pump problems it was running and was sweet(although still on axle stands and minus rear clam)just as I was about to fit the clam I couldnt help but want to hear the engine again.....it was running pretty badly,explosions and flames out of the exhaust.After talking with Simon we agreed that the best course of action was to take the car to Emerald since Dave could probably sort the problem and at the same time put a running in map into the ECU. With the car on the rollers,it was started...bad missfire,after a brief discussion and a bit of chin rubbing Dave swapped the plugs and hey presto....it was running. After 10/15 mins mapping dave shut the engine down being unhappy with the noise he was hearing......engine didnt want to turn off the key or rocking the rear wheels! also Dave noticed grass' inside the timing pulley cover,which turned out to be a small amount of shredded belt. Basically something had got behind the oil pump pulley and minced up.Thankfully the only damage was the pully.as regards what got in behind it,well thats a mystery…no bolts were missing,Dave definately hadnt left or moved anything in there.Mystery. Anyhow my engine should be back in soon,and once run in back down to Emerald. As regards HGF...it wasnt me and AFAIA no Simon Erland engines hafe suffered from it.
hope that clears things,
Jonny

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You know for a fact…

Steve, there’s a common element on your posts, Simon is not inherently wrong on anything he says, nor are you.
Just chill out.

From the owner of said engine himself:

This was my Exige,and for those interested these are the facts.I fitted the Simon Erland built K into my car and after some fuel pump problems it was running and was sweet(although still on axle stands and minus rear clam)just as I was about to fit the clam I couldnt help but want to hear the engine again.....it was running pretty badly,explosions and flames out of the exhaust.After talking with Simon we agreed that the best course of action was to take the car to Emerald since Dave could probably sort the problem and at the same time put a running in map into the ECU. With the car on the rollers,it was started...bad missfire,after a brief discussion and a bit of chin rubbing Dave swapped the plugs and hey presto....it was running. After 10/15 mins mapping dave shut the engine down being unhappy with the noise he was hearing......engine didnt want to turn off the key or rocking the rear wheels! also Dave noticed grass' inside the timing pulley cover,which turned out to be a small amount of shredded belt. Basically something had got behind the oil pump pulley and minced up.Thankfully the only damage was the pully.as regards what got in behind it,well thats a mystery…no bolts were missing,Dave definately hadnt left or moved anything in there.Mystery. Anyhow my engine should be back in soon,and once run in back down to Emerald. As regards HGF...it wasnt me and AFAIA no Simon Erland engines hafe suffered from it.
hope that clears things,
Jonny

Not everything written is a lie, and not everything is truth or fact.

Sadly for Simon Erland the facts are interlaced with bull, arrogance, outright lies, liable and misccommunicated second info.

I’m not perfect by any means, but I’m not claiming to be the saviour of the K series either, or trying to sell it to those with less technical knowledge as something that it was never desinged to be, a relaible 200+bhp race engine.

So when he preaches and I don’t agree I speak out and present my own experience. I do this for the benefit of others, not to discredit Erland. And to show an alternative apporach or to give credit to one that has been unfairly dismissed IMO.

I’m open with my postings and have given a [censored] load of info to the Elise community over the years, including you Uldis - remember you contacted me asking for advice, and you took it, trying longer trumpet lengths following our telephone conversations and chats at TT2005.

The post by Jonny could have been made for a number of reasons - I’ll let the reader work out what they may be. But given that the engine hasn’t been back for mapping perhpas Jonny is waiting (like so many poor souls) for it to be finished and doesn’t want to fall out with Simon. I heard of one chap had to have Elrand aquire him a residents parking permit for his car left at Erland’s for an Engine swap that took 12 months. He was fed up with paying the parking tickets.

As for what happened to my engine. The rods were bushed at a local engine builders and gudgeon pins were provided for fit.

I took some steel rods to Steve Smith (of Vibration Free) for balancing to be used with my tungsten inserted crank prior to building the 1.9k. He prefered my VHPD rods, being unimpressed with the weight of the steel ones. So I retained the VHPD rods that were used with the inserted crank in my previous 1.8 build.

The crank has been straightness and crack tested by Steve Smith and is fine for reuse. All the bearings were in very good condition showing that the modifications to the oil system made by DVA did their job, as did the sump baffle I had fitted in the wet sump. The three remaining liners were in perfect condition with NO evidence of blow by indicating that there was nothing wrong with the Scholar EVO2 block I was using, despite Erland’s opinions on the Scholar solutions.

I’m working with Dave Andrews and Steve Smith on the next build - two experts who’s experience and opions I value very highly.

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Good post SteveB

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Actuallly… not.

Just spoke with Jonny on the phone and he assures me that what he wrote is exactly the truth, and that he doesn’t believe for a minute Dave Walker said something different.
At the end he found a bolt behind the lower pulley, god knows where it came from.
Jonny told me he’s waiting now because he wants to change some other bits (like dry sump, exhaust, etc)


I find it disheartening that you have to make such comments, unfounded other than your gut feeling (for watever reason).

But anyway, whatever, it’s not my boat.

Yes, Steve, we spoke some time ago about trumpet lengths, and then I made my own trials. Mine are still different than yours, and maybe they’re not the best they can be, but we also have different setups.

And let me finish by saying that I still respect that you’re on top on the BHP K side, and that I believe mine is still going to break or wear at some point, (and also some Hondas and Toyotas, NA and Turbo or SC).
It’s just engines, just life.

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Actuallly… not.

Just spoke with Jonny on the phone and he assures me that what he wrote is exactly the truth, and that he doesn’t believe for a minute Dave Walker said something different.
At the end he found a bolt behind the lower pulley, god knows where it came from.
Jonny told me he’s waiting now because he wants to change some other bits (like dry sump, exhaust, etc)


I find it disheartening that you have to make such comments, unfounded other than your gut feeling (for watever reason).

But anyway, whatever, it’s not my boat.

If its not your boat then why comment - its disheartening to know that you act as a mouthpeice for Erland supporting him whenever possible…

So yet another “customer” of Erland without a car to use for 6, 12 or more months…waiting for some parts eh…like the 2L cranks that the designer hasn’t even started making yet…

I’ll tell you where the “bolt” came from, some other dimension or perhaps via a worm hole…It could never have been a build error by the perfect Erland could it!? No, because he preaches at length that the problems with tuned K’s are down to the builds and likes to slate various tuners whenever possible. But when he himself makes a build error its explained away as “god knows where that came from”.

For the record Dave Walker never said anything to me.

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So:

For the record Dave Walker never said anything to me.

and

I know exactly what happened with Jonny’s engine thanks. Remember, one of us is friends with Dave Walker.



The post by Jonny could have been made for a number of reasons - I’ll let the reader work out what they may be. But given that the engine hasn’t been back for mapping perhpas Jonny is waiting (like so many poor souls) for it to be finished and doesn’t want to fall out with Simon.

And if someone wants to wait because they changed their plans why should you criticize that?
I’ll dismantle my car over the winter, mainly for lightening, gearbox and suspension work. You’d probably say then that my engine was down, right?


Grudge clouds brain me thinks.

BTW, think about this, everyone of Simon’s clients are happy and became friends.
What’s wrong about that?

PS- that Hubert character doesn’t count, his story was too dubious.

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Steve B27
Look,I gave an honest account of what happened,I dislike you basically calling me a liar don`t please do it again

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Not that this is entirely relevant, but I met the bloke who won this when we were over at Silverstone, a really nice chap, and more than happy to have a chat, even in the wee hours .

He was also very complementary of a certain white Exige .

David

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Steve B27
Look,I gave an honest account of what happened,I dislike you basically calling me a liar don`t please do it again

So now its all back together, mapped and running, whats the result?

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Jonny told me he’s waiting now because he wants to change some other bits (like dry sump, exhaust, etc)

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Jonny told me he’s waiting now because he wants to change some other bits (like dry sump, exhaust, etc) to try and achieve the mythical power figures Simon claims are so easy, hopefully he can get a slot at the nice generous rollers used by me to try and convince himself that the time and money he wasted on a guy who can’t even put a K series back together properly isn’t a total dead loss


OK then fair enough.

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Jonny told me he’s waiting now because he wants to change some other bits (like dry sump, exhaust, etc) to try and achieve the mythical power figures Simon claims are so easy, hopefully he can get a slot at the nice generous rollers used by me to try and convince himself that the time and money he wasted on a guy who can’t even put a K series back together properly isn’t a total dead loss



OK then fair enough.

I didn’t write that, but made me smile, obviously all you guys can do is transform everything evrybody else says.

Proves my point.

TW@

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OK then fair enough.

I didn’t write that, but made me smile, obviously all you guys can do is transform everything evrybody else says.

Proves my point.

TW@

I guess that if they were really that confident the’d just go off and get on with their own thing with a smug grin, sounds pretty desperate to me!


simon

What - do you mean exactly like we have for years while you lied about having “engines beating all commers” - its been four years since I stuffed a honda in the back of my shed, in which time you have proven exactly bugger all. Other than proving you are better at talk than action.

p.s. try counting the bolts next time, perhaps then you wont make such an ass of yourself so publicly.

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So:

For the record Dave Walker never said anything to me.

and

I know exactly what happened with Jonny’s engine thanks. Remember, one of us is friends with Dave Walker.

The post by Jonny could have been made for a number of reasons - I’ll let the reader work out what they may be. But given that the engine hasn’t been back for mapping perhpas Jonny is waiting (like so many poor souls) for it to be finished and doesn’t want to fall out with Simon.

If you read carefully what I have posted above, I never actually said what I’d been told reference Jonny’s engine or by whom, just that I know Dave Walker well and that Dave Walker didn’t tell me!

Simple fact of the matter is that it failed and those that knew were asked to keep it quiet.

Why do that if it was such a simple build error - not that any build error is simple in my opinion if it stops the engine from running?

To prevent riducule perhaps. Maybe, but IMO more was caused by the initial secrecy.

Part of the Erland agenda is for open information on tuning of the K, so why the need for secrecy? If something fails then surely part of that agenda is to inform all would be tuners of a potential failure such that others can avoid the issue?

It appears that the only way to avoid Jonny’s “issue” is not to let Erland build your engine.

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Steve B27
Look,I gave an honest account of what happened,I dislike you basically calling me a liar don`t please do it again

I’ll do as I please, as so many others do on these forums, thanks, Dad.

I actaully never said you’d lied, I posted this:

"Not everything written is a lie, and not everything is truth or fact.

The post by Jonny could have been made for a number of reasons - I’ll let the reader work out what they may be. But given that the engine hasn’t been back for mapping perhpas Jonny is waiting (like so many poor souls) for it to be finished and doesn’t want to fall out with Simon.".

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Johnboy and Steve,

you have no idea how ridiculous your posts are.
Inventing stuff just to put some sh!t on others.
There’s obviously something wrong (although sadly common these days) with the way you guys think.

Insisting that Jonny was instructed to say something, when he himself is telling you not.

For all the good work you guys have done on the Honda and K side, this really shows how ordinary you are.

You guys are sad.