I will wager a Nann there will be no meaningful difference! 
[quote=Whiteysback][quote=Whiteysback]Iām actually testing the MMG stage 1 intercooler right now back to back against the Forge jobbie. Results along shortly.
All I can say is that the MMG one has been designed specifically to offer the best performance upgrade over the ācompetitionā. From what I can see of the core and construction the MMG one certainly looks to be the better option.[/quote]
Ok, as I said several pages back Iām going to be testing both the Forge i/c and the MMG stage 1 i/c back to back (i have both in hand).
I will be using my own car which is mildly uprated and should be ideal as it relies on low intake temps in order to perform. My car will not require a remap to run an i/c instead of itās usual c/c setup (in fact I was running MMGās stage 1 i/c for 5 weeks whilst my MMG c/c was off being fettled with for development. If I have the time I will also test the standard i/c too as a benchmark. I will be using an OBD port data logger to record intake temps and ignition timing.
Iām going to book an open pit lane full track day at Brands Hatch indy circuit on either the 1st or 25th Feb to perform the testing back to back, on the same day and at the same speeds.
Finally, what tests do we all agree would be suitable? I know some suggestions have been made but before i agree on one over another does anyone have any other suggestions?
Hopefully this will provide the much sought after data some of the Exige forum owners crave. Like all of you I personally expect both the Forge and the MMG stage 1 to be massively better than the standard i/c. Which of the 2 tuners i/cās is best will be the real test tho.
Incidentally I am told that detailed flow test data from the manufacturer of the MMG stage 1 core will be with me within the next fortnight. I have emailed Forge for their data but have yet to recieve a reply (I will chase them again later this week).
One other thingā¦and i really dont want to inflame this bunfight again but itās obvious from some of the forum members that we all have our favourite products and feel passionate about the kit weāve spent our hard earned on. Lets not turn Exiges.com into SELOC, it should be fine to favour one brand over another AND tell other members about it. Why does someone need a scientific journal to back up their claim???
This thread started because someone asked āwhich uprated i/c should I get?ā those replying get the Forge i/c clearly favour it over other brands and did not provide any specific data backing up their reasons when offering their advice, why should those same people then be up in arms when someone else says they rate the MMG i/c over the Forge i/c? Furthermore they moan for data when someone says their product is better when they themselves cant give any data/exact reasons when theyāre advising to get the forge!
Pot and kettle spring to mind.
Anyway stroll on the proper testing and weāll see whats what. I dont care much as i expect the result to be close.
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Exactly , not just me that noticed that then!
I wasnt selling anything and i donāt even have a MMG stage one intercooler on my car and wish people would read the full thread before chirping in like that, seloc ffs!
Will you be testing the Stage two ? your welcome to use my one .
Cheers for the offer but I doubt Iāll have the time spare with 3 to test on the day. If you fancy coming along tho I could rig up my data logger to your car and record the results?
Im told that on our cars 1 degree = 1.25hp and if the core is less restrictive and gives a better flow then who knows
1.25hp COOL!!!
I will be able to order another quarter of a naan and still drive home just as fast!!! 
Assuming my valve caps havenāt reached there design limit and need further upgrading
We had Lotus (factory) install the Elise boot lid stay on our Cup 260 (carbon fibre cover/lid) as part of our list of options as we pack the boot for weekends away (Spa etc); the standard 260 does not have a boot/engine cover stay.
[quote=moomin][quote=Whiteysback][quote=Whiteysback]Iām actually testing the MMG stage 1 intercooler right now back to back against the Forge jobbie. Results along shortly.
All I can say is that the MMG one has been designed specifically to offer the best performance upgrade over the ācompetitionā. From what I can see of the core and construction the MMG one certainly looks to be the better option.[/quote]
Ok, as I said several pages back Iām going to be testing both the Forge i/c and the MMG stage 1 i/c back to back (i have both in hand).
I will be using my own car which is mildly uprated and should be ideal as it relies on low intake temps in order to perform. My car will not require a remap to run an i/c instead of itās usual c/c setup (in fact I was running MMGās stage 1 i/c for 5 weeks whilst my MMG c/c was off being fettled with for development. If I have the time I will also test the standard i/c too as a benchmark. I will be using an OBD port data logger to record intake temps and ignition timing.
Iām going to book an open pit lane full track day at Brands Hatch indy circuit on either the 1st or 25th Feb to perform the testing back to back, on the same day and at the same speeds.
Finally, what tests do we all agree would be suitable? I know some suggestions have been made but before i agree on one over another does anyone have any other suggestions?
Hopefully this will provide the much sought after data some of the Exige forum owners crave. Like all of you I personally expect both the Forge and the MMG stage 1 to be massively better than the standard i/c. Which of the 2 tuners i/cās is best will be the real test tho.
Incidentally I am told that detailed flow test data from the manufacturer of the MMG stage 1 core will be with me within the next fortnight. I have emailed Forge for their data but have yet to recieve a reply (I will chase them again later this week).
One other thingā¦and i really dont want to inflame this bunfight again but itās obvious from some of the forum members that we all have our favourite products and feel passionate about the kit weāve spent our hard earned on. Lets not turn Exiges.com into SELOC, it should be fine to favour one brand over another AND tell other members about it. Why does someone need a scientific journal to back up their claim???
This thread started because someone asked āwhich uprated i/c should I get?ā those replying get the Forge i/c clearly favour it over other brands and did not provide any specific data backing up their reasons when offering their advice, why should those same people then be up in arms when someone else says they rate the MMG i/c over the Forge i/c? Furthermore they moan for data when someone says their product is better when they themselves cant give any data/exact reasons when theyāre advising to get the forge!
Pot and kettle spring to mind.
Anyway stroll on the proper testing and weāll see whats what. I dont care much as i expect the result to be close.
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Exactly , not just me that noticed that then!
I wasnt selling anything and i donāt even have a MMG stage one intercooler on my car and wish people would read the full thread before chirping in like that, seloc ffs!
Will you be testing the Stage two ? your welcome to use my one .
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In reply to both of you, who both developed products with MMG on your cars.
I do not crave data and I do not Favour Forge, I do not care which core is best I really do have more interesting things going on right now.
But the bottom line is if you say something is better, which moomin did you need to be able to say why. That is my point. It is clear from Whiteys reply this information is not yet available.
Also to be totally honest it would be better if the test was done by someone impartial, no offence whitey but you are well in with MMG and have worked with them developing the CC set up.
So as for favouring anything, which you both noticed, as I have said over and over on the threadā¦ I do not, I never have. I even said that if the MMG is better great because its progress.
Honestly sometimes I really do wonder. Can we not talk about driver training now?
[quote=SeanB]1.25hp COOL!!!
I will be able to order another quarter of a naan and still drive home just as fast!!!
Assuming my valve caps havenāt reached there design limit and need further upgrading [/quote]
Lol for me any gains are a bonus really , keeping the hp I have got by keeping charge temps down but not adding weight with a heavy C/C water system was what Iām after .
If itās right that the forge gives a bonus 10hp gain on flow and also stops you losing a load of hp when you cane it then thatās a good result is it not??
Also some cores will heat soak quicker than others flat out and that is where a big difference can be made.
"In reply to both of you, who both developed products with MMG on your cars. "
Err no !!! I have NOTHING to do with MMG , I have an intercooler I got from them - just the same as you with Forge.
I shop at Tesco but Iām not part of them ! If I did the Thai crab cakes would be loads better
I might aswell join in since i waste large portions of time trawling through the constant bickering. Itās difficult to find a thread on here which hasnāt been ruined by it. Well done the lot of you.
Its a good point, the tests really should be independent to give them more credibility. If the tests you do are favourable to MMC then Iām sure weāll hear about it. However if the tests are favourable to Forge then would you really publish such content?
[quote=Boothy][quote=moomin][quote=Whiteysback][quote=Whiteysback]Iām actually testing the MMG stage 1 intercooler right now back to back against the Forge jobbie. Results along shortly.
All I can say is that the MMG one has been designed specifically to offer the best performance upgrade over the ācompetitionā. From what I can see of the core and construction the MMG one certainly looks to be the better option.[/quote]
Ok, as I said several pages back Iām going to be testing both the Forge i/c and the MMG stage 1 i/c back to back (i have both in hand).
I will be using my own car which is mildly uprated and should be ideal as it relies on low intake temps in order to perform. My car will not require a remap to run an i/c instead of itās usual c/c setup (in fact I was running MMGās stage 1 i/c for 5 weeks whilst my MMG c/c was off being fettled with for development. If I have the time I will also test the standard i/c too as a benchmark. I will be using an OBD port data logger to record intake temps and ignition timing.
Iām going to book an open pit lane full track day at Brands Hatch indy circuit on either the 1st or 25th Feb to perform the testing back to back, on the same day and at the same speeds.
Finally, what tests do we all agree would be suitable? I know some suggestions have been made but before i agree on one over another does anyone have any other suggestions?
Hopefully this will provide the much sought after data some of the Exige forum owners crave. Like all of you I personally expect both the Forge and the MMG stage 1 to be massively better than the standard i/c. Which of the 2 tuners i/cās is best will be the real test tho.
Incidentally I am told that detailed flow test data from the manufacturer of the MMG stage 1 core will be with me within the next fortnight. I have emailed Forge for their data but have yet to recieve a reply (I will chase them again later this week).
One other thingā¦and i really dont want to inflame this bunfight again but itās obvious from some of the forum members that we all have our favourite products and feel passionate about the kit weāve spent our hard earned on. Lets not turn Exiges.com into SELOC, it should be fine to favour one brand over another AND tell other members about it. Why does someone need a scientific journal to back up their claim???
This thread started because someone asked āwhich uprated i/c should I get?ā those replying get the Forge i/c clearly favour it over other brands and did not provide any specific data backing up their reasons when offering their advice, why should those same people then be up in arms when someone else says they rate the MMG i/c over the Forge i/c? Furthermore they moan for data when someone says their product is better when they themselves cant give any data/exact reasons when theyāre advising to get the forge!
Pot and kettle spring to mind.
Anyway stroll on the proper testing and weāll see whats what. I dont care much as i expect the result to be close.
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Exactly , not just me that noticed that then!
I wasnt selling anything and i donāt even have a MMG stage one intercooler on my car and wish people would read the full thread before chirping in like that, seloc ffs!
Will you be testing the Stage two ? your welcome to use my one .
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In reply to both of you, who both developed products with MMG on your cars.
I do not crave data and I do not Favour Forge, I do not care which core is best I really do have more interesting things going on right now.
But the bottom line is if you say something is better, which moomin did you need to be able to say why. That is my point. It is clear from Whiteys reply this information is not yet available.
Also to be totally honest it would be better if the test was done by someone impartial, no offence whitey but you are well in with MMG and have worked with them developing the CC set up.
So as for favouring anything, which you both noticed, as I have said over and over on the threadā¦ I do not, I never have. I even said that if the MMG is better great because its progress.
Honestly sometimes I really do wonder. Can we not talk about driver training now? [/quote]
Like said I would lend my stage two for independent testing , I would like the data on how well it works , Iām not bothered if they sell another one.
I dream about sh1t like that 
Edit to say, this IC/CC thing does cause a lot of bickering bollox I totally agree but I wouldnāt say every thread on Exiges is ruined by it B12ANRā¦ 
if thatās what was meant of course?
I dream about sh1t like that
Edit to say, this IC/CC thing does cause a lot of bickering bollox I totally agree but I wouldnāt say every thread on Exiges is ruined by it B12ANRā¦ if thatās what was meant of course?
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Hey Mr Fantastic Fox - keep your snout out of I/C and S/C bunfights - nothing for you NA Rocks lot to see here !!!
OMG 
In the closed position the strut will be in direct line for the airflow exiting the intercooler! Have you checked the cooloing losses (heat retention, IYSWIM) this will give?
Youāll be fooked on the straights now, and in the corners with all that extra weight of the strut sitting so high up in the car 
Worst āmodā everā¦
you will require my patented boot prop design for ĆÆĀæĀ½50
OMG
In the closed position the strut will be in direct line for the airflow exiting the intercooler! Have you checked the cooloing losses (heat retention, IYSWIM) this will give? Not sure how it can be in the way of anything!
Youāll be fooked on the straights now, and in the corners with all that extra weight of the strut sitting so high up in the car **As opposed to the 86Kgs in the drivers seatā¦**Worst āmodā everā¦ [/quote]
All that extra weight all of 100grams, tucked right into the boot line/lip or am i missing something Tim?
The tests sole purpose will be to see whether or not the ic is performing well. If the results arenāt up to scratch then the core will be redesigned (as it has been before). The exact figures will be published and Iām happy to have witnesses on the day.
By the way. I am not employed by MMG I merely like the company and itās products. Itās a small British firm led by a guy with passion and enthusiasm for small British sports cars who also happens to strive to create the best engineered most effective products he can.
Yep top chap indeed
My dealings with MMG have been nothing but first rate.
Stage 2 MMG I/C!!!