I ve been trying to bottom out the performance figures for a S1 Exige with Honda conversion, best I have found suggests;
"A elise with NA honda conversion (200hp) will do 4’s 0-60 and 9’s 0-100…A elise with charged honda conversion (300hp) will do 3’s 0-60 and 8’s 0-100…Right?? "
Which seems potentially optimistic, anything definitive for an S1?
I assume traction is the biggest factor, and mid-range perfomance such as 40-100 is the more devastating…
Thank you James
Sorry another question (!)
Honda wise could someone explain the options, ie EU engines, Japanese, N/A (“normally asperated”??).
I m assuming the performance varies based on the VTEC fitted in addition to elements such as Supercharging…
0 - 100 in 8 seconds lol
maybe if you spent alot of money on the Honda engine not just a jackson charger
[quote=M7EXG]Performance between a K-series 190 and a n/a Honda is very little if anything. 
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On paper maybe, but in practice there is a noticable difference due to their respective glugs of torque.
[quote=M7EXG]Performance between a K-series 190 and a n/a Honda is very little if anything.
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Love this place. You couldn’t type that on SELOC without being burned at the stake!!!
hahahaha
[quote=M7EXG]Performance between a K-series 190 and a n/a Honda is very little if anything.
Get the Honda supercharged and the difference is massive 
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Haha…got to say, you are having a laugh aren’t you?
There is quite a large difference in my experience… worth around 5 seconds a lap at Oulton park (ish)
I did a trackday at Snetterton when my VHPD was still working and was running with Scuffers on track in his race car.
Track was wet and I had some Toyo T1R’s on the car (about the only thing the tyres are any use for) while scuffers was on some tyres that apparantly weren’t working.
I was killing him in the bends and braking and pulling time back but on the straight I couldn’t get close and that was with a std NA conversion in his car.
When fitted to my car it made a big difference to the general acceleration and the way the car pulled all the way through the rev range.
Despite the supposed only 10bhp difference (it’s actually closer to 40-50bhp) it is a big difference.
Unless you know exactly what the other driver has car wise and their abilities, comparsons on trackdays are meaningless. (For example around Magny Cours I was in a 1.5D Fiesta and was keeping pace with a 111S S1 Elise).
In my experience a VHPD is not much, if any slower than a N/A Honda car. Sub 1 second a lap at any of our tracks here in NZ. I suspect if the VHPD car had better ratios (like the UCR box) then it’d be closer still.
The S/C cars are in a different league though, they just get off the corners so fast with all that torque.
do any consistent performance stats exist for the various conversions?
Yep - usually being expounded by peeps leaning on pub bars, & are consistently bull$hit 
This may be of interest http://www.dyno-plot.co.uk/dyno/dynoplot/index.htm
LOL thanks Mr Pesky!
The bit about the bends and braking had nothing to do with the honda (you must just be a better driver or he was having an ‘off’ day). I’ve had both types of car and I cant ‘feel’ the extra weight or anything, the cars seem to handle the same with the k and with the honda.
The honda cars are a gem.
David
Mark did mention the conditions, & tyres
[quote=Esprit]In my experience a VHPD is not much, if any slower than a N/A Honda car. Sub 1 second a lap at any of our tracks here in NZ. I suspect if the VHPD car had better ratios (like the UCR box) then it’d be closer still.
The S/C cars are in a different league though, they just get off the corners so fast with all that torque. [/quote]
I suspect there’s either a very ill honda involved or a strangely super powerful VHPD involved if that’s the case.
I’m not trying to be a ‘Honda fan boy’ or turn this into a Seloc style thread, but there is quite a large difference between an std NA honda and a std VHPD powered car…there certainly was between mine when I changed over.
There are timed, datalogged runs to prove things like 0-60 and 0-100 runs on NA Hondas if that is what you consider important. Best thing in reality is to get a pax lap in one or even drive one if you can… there’s plenty of people on here that will be happy to take you out for a couple of laps at a trackday.
As Pesky says, Scuffers was struggling with his car and even though I had better grip out the corners he was always pulling away down the straight.
I know the difference in handling as my own car now has a NA Honda in it, and there is a very small effect but really not worth worrying about, easily solved with a suspension tweek. But I’d agree that most people wouldn’t notice.
Sorry Mark_A/Pesky, I will read the posts correctly before commenting.
As a side note. I was at Oulton on Friday and a couple of K series Elise S1s were there. They were v. good in the corners (the same as my honda’d car) but down the straights my SC car destroyed them. I couldnt believe how fast my car was in the wet and the distance I pulled on them on each short straight, mental.
Well good luck getting a Honda matey. I am so glad I got mine, they are awesome. Havent tried an Audi conversion but suspect they are bloody good too.
[quote=DaveP][quote=Esprit]In my experience a VHPD is not much, if any slower than a N/A Honda car. Sub 1 second a lap at any of our tracks here in NZ. I suspect if the VHPD car had better ratios (like the UCR box) then it’d be closer still.
The S/C cars are in a different league though, they just get off the corners so fast with all that torque. [/quote]
I suspect there’s either a very ill honda involved or a strangely super powerful VHPD involved if that’s the case.
I’m not trying to be a ‘Honda fan boy’ or turn this into a Seloc style thread, but there is quite a large difference between an std NA honda and a std VHPD powered car…there certainly was between mine when I changed over.
There are timed, datalogged runs to prove things like 0-60 and 0-100 runs on NA Hondas if that is what you consider important. Best thing in reality is to get a pax lap in one or even drive one if you can… there’s plenty of people on here that will be happy to take you out for a couple of laps at a trackday.
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The car in question was Ian Wilson’s K20a, which has been dynoed at 255bhp (which is well above a stock one). These dyno figures and his tuning are well documented and known to be good on SELOC. My VHPD certainly wasn’t anything special either.
To be fair, the day in question, he was struggling a little with a bad geo, but then I was also doing the same.
The car in front is me in my slow VHPD : Taupo trackday - YouTube
I’ve driven the car myself a bit and while it winds up very well and is certainly much quicker through the gears than the VHPD, it just didn’t seem as good at getting the power down smoothly off the apex.
For this reason, I reckon a stock (220bhp) K20a conversion and a VHPD aren’t lightyears apart. Yes the Honda is quicker, but it’s marginal. I reckon the only difference between them is probably the gearing, the CR box on the Exige/340R being far too wide to make effective use of the engine on track.
Anyway, when my VHPD is back together and sporting 225bhp and 6 gears, I’ll be doing some more back-to-back testing and will let y’all know 
I m almost regretting asking the question ref Honda’s to begin with didnt want to start a fall out! 
Taupo vid wise - I loved just watching the rev counter needle Has to be said though the chap in the Honda Exige (and I m not criticising I m not Lewis Hamilton either) was VERY “polite” in traffic and slow into corners and casual out so as mentioned earlier I think driving will come into play with the performance and pace on track.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I love Honda-powered cars too, I’m very objective about it. No question that on paper the Honda is better, it’s just that many people (not necessarily on here) seem to think that you stick a Honda in the back of an Elise and it immediately becomes twice the car, faultlessly reliable and unbeatable in every way.
Ian’s car is one of the first ever Honda conversions, he’s even blown up one Honda engine so he’s proven that they’re not completely bomb-proof. Even he’s the first to admit that the Honda’s no golden-bullet.
As for his driving, he’s pretty good. That day we were all being polite since many of the drivers on that day were new to the track so we were giving everyone a wide berth. He was struggling there with tyres and geo though, hence why he was doing a lot of wheel-work through the corner. My Exige wasn’t handling too well either, although potentially wasn’t as bad as his.
The Elise that he passes is a DVA-modified one, somewhere in the region of 150-160bhp, and you can see in a pretty straight drag race the Honda eats the K when it gets wound up. With an extra 25bhp or so from the VHPD, the result is the same, but less drastic I guess.
Here’s a couple of his other vids:
The Good:
Slalom run at Lelystad - YouTube
The not so good:
Death of a Honda - YouTube