… it is in the best interests of everyone to know that it is a Rover 2 litre engine and not a sloppy tuner’s conversion.
simon
You really do live in your own little world don’t you Simon ? Maybe you would like to tell what is standard production Rover in this engine ? As I keep telling you, they are race engines that to the uninitiated, looks a bit like the K series from the outside.
So no race engines next year then ?
Bernard
There will be at least 2 engines running in this Lotus series next year, and possibly 5. There are or will be next year a FURTHER 6 race engines in a total of 4 series.
happy?
simon
Good, look forward to seeing them.
Bernard
simon can you tell us all why the hell someone who had an engine build which failed after 800 miles didnt go back to the builder and complain instead of taking it to a guy who has minimal experience of building k series
i have read many a thread and you come across as a complete uneducated morron
open your eye and instead of trying to prove dva and scholar are idiots build a decent engine and post up your dyno result so people can pick holes in it like you do to other
mikeJust put that question to Benjam over on seloc.
And just how much do you know about my experiance, or how many engines I have built or for whom?
simon
Well this is what Benjam says on the matter:
"News to me Johnboy… where is this being claimed?
Other than exchanging a number of emails with Dave when considering the engine spec, DVA had nothing to do with any part of this engine build! The component parts have now been sold on to separate buyers (after replacing the crank seal and helicoiling the stripped sump threads of course)…
Cheers
Ben "
Oh and it ran for 2000 miles not 800.
Just put that question to Benjam over on seloc.
And just how much do you know about my experiance, or how many engines I have built or for whom?
simon
Well this is what Benjam says on the matter:
"News to me Johnboy… where is this being claimed?
Other than exchanging a number of emails with Dave when considering the engine spec, DVA had nothing to do with any part of this engine build! The component parts have now been sold on to separate buyers (after replacing the crank seal and helicoiling the stripped sump threads of course)…
Cheers
Ben "
Oh and it ran for 2000 miles not 800.What on earth has Benjams’ engine got to do with any of the dva/scholar engines I have here? - other than sharing the misfortune of having a scholar block!
I have never met Benjam, or seen his engine, I certainly did not strip it down.His experiance simply reinforces the bad scholar experiance!
simon
So mike askes the question.
“who brought you the engine rather than throwing it back at sch.”
you bring up Benjam in your answer, no one else does.
Why don’t you actually try answering a straight question with a straight answer.
What on earth has Benjams’ engine got to do with any of the dva/scholar engines I have here? - other than sharing the misfortune of having a scholar block!
I have never met Benjam, or seen his engine, I certainly did not strip it down.His experiance simply reinforces the bad scholar experiance!
simonSo mike askes the question.
“who brought you the engine rather than throwing it back at sch.”
you bring up Benjam in your answer, no one else does.
Why don’t you actually try answering a straight question with a straight answer.
Why the hell don’t you come and visit me here johnboy and you can see all the failed dva/scholar engines for yourself. I’ll even give you a tour round them to show you how and why the build practice caused them to fail.As for why people bring them to me - because they get sick and tired of repeated failures and the careless attitude of some - reads Benjams words about the redress he got.
But cut the bull Johnboy just come here and see this pile of scrap for yourself!
simon
So why don’t you just answer Mikes question with a straight reply?
But cut the bull Johnboy just come here and see this pile of scrap for yourself!
simon
There is this wonderful thing called the internet - to save me the 24 hour flight why not just do the obvious thing and document the issues rather than just point at a pile of engines stripped down without any obvious mode of failure left.
Document like this:
Picture
type/spec
name of owner
when purchased
were purchased from
serial
tuner
platform installed in
installed by
date of failure
mode of failure
results of failure
scan of result sheet from measurement engineers
scan of measurement bench calibration check
jobs done then.
But cut the bull Johnboy just come here and see this pile of scrap for yourself!
simonThere is this wonderful thing called the internet - to save me the 24 hour flight why not just do the obvious thing and document the issues rather than just point at a pile of engines stripped down without any obvious mode of failure left.
Document like this:
Picture
type/spec
name of owner
when purchased
were purchased from
serial
tuner
platform installed in
installed by
date of failure
mode of failure
results of failure
scan of result sheet from measurement engineers
scan of measurement bench calibration checkjobs done then.
JUST GET YOUR A*** OVER HERE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF!
S
So i should fly 10,000 miles to look at a few undocumented stripped down blocks that we already know have nothing to do with DVA rather than you actually provide the scantiest bit of real documentary proof.
As usual KingDick gets caught out by his own lies.
Its simple to prove why are you so adverse to providing the real proof?
The invitation is made come see it for yourself.
simon
What deja vu!
Are you paying for the flights as well?
Ultimately if I do show up, 1st class of course, I would expect to see the documentary proof as outlined. Do you have it simon?
Originally posted by King Dick
Just put that question to Benjam over on seloc.
Simon,
Ben has already asked you on SELOC to keep him out of your bickering over engines. I think perhaps you should respect his wishes.
You have been asked by numerous people to keep them out of it in the past and haven’t. I think it’s time you do as requested and shut the [censored] up.
Johnboy,
Are you not in the UK now?
Originally posted by King Dick
Just put that question to Benjam over on seloc.Simon,
Ben has already asked you on SELOC to keep him out of your bickering over engines. I think perhaps you should respect his wishes.
You have been asked by numerous people to keep them out of it in the past and haven’t. I think it’s time you do as requested and shut the [censored] up.
Johnboy,Are you not in the UK now?
Funny that - can’t find anything were Ben says that and having spoken to him recently to ask his attitude about posting his scholar experiances, I got quite the opposite view expressed in person.
For an ex Rover , albeit suspension engineer, I find your attitude extraordinary, but perhaps as an engineer you should just take a back seat and LISTEN as the technical argument unfolds instead of rushing in with mindless, ill informed prejudice. You might even find the technical argument compelling?
simon
The technical arguement, from a guy who does not know what a micron is, you might be surprised to find, is not as compelling as you might imagine.
[I have euro 4 blocks that are measured down from 120/110 brinnel to 42
And as you have been asked at least four times on seloc - what brinell testing unit are you using?
The invitation is made come see it for yourself.
simon
What deja vu!
Are you paying for the flights as well?
Ultimately if I do show up, 1st class of course, I would expect to see the documentary proof as outlined. Do you have it simon?
I have euro 4 blocks that are measured down from 120/110 brinnel to 42I have 9 blocks all independantly measured and documented by 3 engineering companies with appropriate torque plates, and measured on the very best 3D CMM machines showing out of round typically between 45-50 micron and 120micron. I have bores off centre by as much as 0.48mm and I have bore diameters varying way beyond acceptable tolerance. All parties - these are proffessional engineers are willing to go to court to give witness to their practice and method, in addition to which the senior two engineers from powertrain who have had blocks - one of whom described scholar’s work as mindbogglingly incompetant - and done their own surveys of these blocks are also prepared to go to court and testify against scholars work and standards. Indeed it has been suggested that there is a case against scholar under the Trade Descriptions Act since the blocks are described as an “upgrade” over production blocks.
I would just relish getting this in the open in court because then there would be no denying it from the likes of yourself who have probably never seen a scholar knocked down? or from those who have a vested interest in promoting them and pretending that Simon Thornley’s engine is other than a std Rover block rather than possibly a scholar.
simon
So present the proof simom.
If its documented then its the work of moments to show us:
Picture
type/spec
name of owner
when purchased
were purchased from
serial
tuner
platform installed in
installed by
date of failure
mode of failure
results of failure
scan of result sheet from measurement engineers
scan of measurement bench calibration check
stop your BS and just put up or shut up.