Engine rover 2.0k series 2009

Hi

I leave with you a graphic and components of my new engine 2.0k series for this season Rally 2009

Tech data:

Block with liners of 82.50 mm of bore.
Forged pistons of 82.50 mm and weighing full of the piston including ring of 300 grams.
Rings based on plasma.
Forged connecting rods 132 mm in length and weighing of 490 grams.
Steel crankshaft with 91.65 mm of stroke and weighing of 12 kg.
Flywheel of 3.200 kg.
MLS gasket head.
New rail oil of rover.
Crankshaft pulley and pinion of 500 grams.
Oil pump changed at 2.5 bars of pressure at idle and 20% more flow.
Compression ratio of 12/1.
MS2 piston head with valves and 34.5/28.5 mm and 160CFM inlet.
Adjustable pulleys of Pipercams.
Camshaft 1444/285M of Pipercams.
Double valve springs Pipercams.
Caps steel reinforced Pipercams.
Mechanics followers.
Cambelt of 143x26.
TB, S Jenvey modified to 39/42 mm.
Trumpets carbon of 45 mm.
Airbox maximum capacity of 150 mm in diameter and thermal blankets.
Denso Injector of 6 holes.
Race fuel pressure regulator.
Electric fuel pump of 7 bars.
Duralumin spacers.
Janspeed exhaust manifold system with Magnaflow exhaust handmade and without catalyst.
Thermostat 71 degrees.
Helix clutch.
Emerald ecu.
Castrol Edge 10W/60 oil.
98 octane fuel.
Balanced of total mobile components with an imbalance + - 1 gram.

Recent improvements awaiting installation:

Barometric pressure sensor.
Probe ongoing wideband.

Un saludo

Vicente

out of interest how you fitting them valves in.?

Hi mgstu

This piston head is made by Simon Erland.

You have to ask this to him.

Regards

Vicente

was just interested as the guides are that far apart, so you cant fit that size in…I know there available, but normally you turn them down a bit so once there fitted there not actually that size. :slight_smile:
Nice spec list, though I’ll be honest, Dissapointed with the power level…if 233 is the peak, also assuming thats the same as 233 in the UK.!

Hi mgstu

Well, I am very grateful for your honesty and opinion.

But if you really believe that obtain this power and torque in these the revs, with these cams is disappointing to you, because I do not agree.

I think you can assume that it would be very easy to get with cams extreme 250/260c.v., of course and obviously at more revs.

I am very sure of this, I have no doubt.

Regards

Vicente

no, i was more wondering why bother with 2.0 litre, that power is easily available with a 1.8, so if your not after outright power, why bother goin 2.0. ?

not being awqard, im just interested.!

Hi mgstu

I am sorry, but my english is very basic and I not understean at you.

Is possible that you repeat the question or these phrases easiest way for me to understand well?

Thanks and regards

Vicente

100lb/ft per litre?

I’m sure it’s a fine engine and the block preparation is excellent, but 100lb/ft per litre is well beyond the theoretical maximum and isn’t feasible on pump fuel with a naturally aspirated engine. Consequently I am sceptical about the torque figure. 93-94lb/ft per litre is about as good as it gets on any well devloped race engine based on a production donor, I.E. a non purpose built racing engine.

Dave

Hi

Yes is possible obtain this, but no easy, but your need a perfectly all the components and more hours of proves and calculations.

If Emerald Ltd was closer to Spain, I would be happy to go and prove at you that made the engine in live.

Anyway, I will soon go back to rolling road, to play with exhaust cam, because I think it is possible to get some c.v. more, although I do not think that many more.

Regards

Vicente

Hi Dave

Thanks very much for expressing your thoughts on my block is perfectly done.

I was just have an idea.

Do you want to do a engine test between you and me?

I send to you a complete block same that 2.0k mine, of course balanced and you prepare a complete piston head of 160CMF 34.5/28.5mm.

I send to you the block without any gain for me, to price the cost of parts only.

I send to you the data about ratio compresion, pressure injectors, oil pum, …

You put the same injectors, cams, airbox, and exhaust system that I have and you do the 3/5.000 kms and after the rolling road.

And compared the results obtain between Spain and UK.

If you are not happy with the results, I would return all their money and you return my pieces.

All the best and I hope your reply.

Vicente

Vicente,

The most I have seen from a purpose built racing engine (in this case a HART developed BDG with head airflow well in excess of 160CFM and a much more favourable bore/stroke ratio and 6 years of continued development was 96lb/ft per litre. Increasing horsepower is realtively straightforward, it’s just a matter of producing your torque at higher RPM. Increasing torque however is much more demanding and there are physical limits on how much torque you can extract from any engine of a given size and this is governed by the maximum volume of combustible mixture you can get into the engine and the calorific value of the fuel used. At 100% volumetric efficiency , I.E. cylinder 100% full and at atmospheric pressure the maximum torque is somewhat less than 100lb/ft per litre. Hence my scepticism.

Dave

Either way guys, anything up about that level is still a brilliant output! Much better than my VHPD’s 140!!!

Want more, get more cylinders!!! :>)

Hi Dave

Anyway I think it would a very nice project and that would be well to dispel some doubts about my 2.0k.

I think that would be a great opportunity to work alongside you and me.

I think at least, the result would have been interesting.

Well talk about it, many know that no two rolling road equal to measure and an engine placed on the rolling road obtain an power and if put again at 5 min in the same rolling road the normal is obtain a different power, maybe not much, but different.

Because affect many factors, oil temperature, water, air, expansion of the pistons ,…

Anyway there are only a true for me, that this 2.0k is far superior in performance when compared to an equal compomentes but 1.8K.

In addition, it is very much higher in terms of strength and durability.

It is a engine very hard and tough.

Recently a customer me came to Emerald Ltd with an MG TF 1.9 and despite having a problem of temperature in the car, Dave Walker was very impressed by the robust block during this session of the rolling road.

And if anyone believes that I will not tell the truth, just ask Dave Walker Emerald ltd.

All the best

Vicente

Hi Pete

What 140??

Regards

Vicente

Vicente,

Just for my interest - how much would it cost to put an engine like that together ?

In Euros ?

Thanks,
Dave.

Hi Dave P

I am sorry but I do not know and not who you are.

You can tell that you do specifically?

I hope my question does not bother you, but in UK, I just know Simon Erland and DVA.

Anyway if you want send to me a P.M.

Regards

Vicente

Hey Vicente,

I was simply interested to know what sort of cost it would be for all the parts you mentioned that make up this engine ?

I’m simply a ‘normal’ user on here… I have no connection to either Simon Erland, DVA or anyone else.

Thanks,
Dave.

Hi Dave P

I am Sorry, in this case the cost price is not an issue for discussion between you and me.

If you want to know the cost of this project, the easiest way is to see my website and take the options/prices and prices for the other parts you can look in Eliseparts or PTP, or anywhere else.

For the theme of the piston head, you can talk to either of two persons mentioned here.

But anyway as I can tell you that I’ve never done any work for Exiges.com. For the first customers is a 10% discount on parts.

By example 2.0k race short block goes from 5600 to 5000 euros.

Regards

Vicente

[quote=vgkracing]Hi Pete

What 140??

Regards

Vicente [/quote]

Actually 202 BHP and 150 ft/Lbs Torque.

Lovely motor though! Pulls and revs very smoothly and eagerly… it is a PTP VHPD short motor (built by John Wilcox Racing) with Omega pistons, higher spec rods and crank etc etc… topped off with a lovely DVA ported head and 1227’s.

Quite happy :smiley: