With regards to the EP ecu vs a re map, the issue for most of us here in the UK is that only one place can re map the stock ecu so unless you want to drive to London every time you can’t have it done.
With the EP kit any good tuner can fettle the car = winner imho.
Boothy
[quote=trackclub][quote=jfk]Exactly why I WON’T be tampering with my OEM 260 ECU !
If I ever need a remap it,ll be on a cheap 220 ECU which can be sourced cheaply … [/quote]
your oem260 ECU is the same as a cheap 220 ECU, it just has a few different settings, if you fry one they cost the same to replace… [/quote]
I think the point is that if you fry an ecu loaded with a 220 map there are plenty floating about second hand (ie cheap) 260 ones are like rocking horse shit so if you fry it your buying a new one 
we can remap the stock ECU as well. It’s just nowhere near as good a solution, has issues and implications legally with Lotus and from a race and track point of view has nowhere near the feature set we need.
The market is a lot bigger than people think, I’m sure Emerald and Eliseparts will sell a lot of units.
[quote=trackclub][quote=jfk]Exactly why I WON’T be tampering with my OEM 260 ECU !
If I ever need a remap it,ll be on a cheap 220 ECU which can be sourced cheaply … [/quote]
your oem260 ECU is the same as a cheap 220 ECU, it just has a few different settings, if you fry one they cost the same to replace… [/quote]
In the “real” world , what dictates price is supply and demand … there is a plentiful supply of 220 ecu,s for little money … Try getting hold of a 260 for little money ?
your analogy is like saying " Liz Hurley has the same anatomy as Susan Boyle , just different dna !"
If you can supply me with 10 OEM 260ecu,s ill swap em for 10 220 ecu,s and give you a few quid for a drink !!!
When my rebuild is finished the car will be running with the Emerald. I’d mentioned to a few of you before, but wanted to hold off on going public until Greg was ready to announce. As mentioned earlier in the thread there will also be support for drive by wire. This isn’t going to be limited to the cable throttle cars.
As far as cost goes I think that its pretty reasonable. People are having great results with the Essex Autosport remap, but in order to do the live mapping then I believe that the ECU needs to be sent away for modification, adding a few days to the process, and bringing the cost up to be comparable with the Emerald.
I also see having the flexibility to get the map done by anyone that is familiar with the Emerald, and Dave Walker in particular is a big bonus. Add to that the support for multiple maps, etc, then I’m pretty excited to see how it all works out 
If you can supply me with 10 OEM 260ecu,s ill swap em for 10 220 ecu,s and give you a few quid for a drink !!! [/quote]
I can supply you with ten 260 ECU’s easily - at exactly the same price as ten 220 ECU’s.
It’s just the 270 GT4 reflash that carries a significant price premium. Like you say, supply & demand, there will be about 8 260 ECU’s available from us shortly unless the owners want to keep them because we have two cars due in for a Motec upgrade and about 8-10 waiting for the new EP Tuning one. I was merely pointing out that fundementally your ECU is a T4E like all the others.
[quote=evo_ufo]When my rebuild is finished the car will be running with the Emerald. I’d mentioned to a few of you before, but wanted to hold off on going public until Greg was ready to announce. As mentioned earlier in the thread there will also be support for drive by wire. This isn’t going to be limited to the cable throttle cars.
As far as cost goes I think that its pretty reasonable. People are having great results with the Essex Autosport remap, but in order to do the live mapping then I believe that the ECU needs to be sent away for modification, adding a few days to the process, and bringing the cost up to be comparable with the Emerald.
I also see having the flexibility to get the map done by anyone that is familiar with the Emerald, and Dave Walker in particular is a big bonus. Add to that the support for multiple maps, etc, then I’m pretty excited to see how it all works out [/quote]
Agree, I think the ability to live remap and have the flexibility for future upgrades is key for a properly calibrated car. Dave seriously knows his stuff and for a lot fo people it’s a practicality thing - if I lived near Snetterton then I’d go Emerald and use Dave all day long, if I lived in Romford then I’d just pop to Wayne when required, if I lived in Bedfordshire then I’d go via Eliseparts - the reality is that it’s cost and functionality that you want but sometimes what’s practical is also a factor.
Very good news!
I would be very interested in a 260/270-map for my manual throttle Exige 240R engine. Especially if I could keep the OEM ECU…
Regards,
Thomas
[quote=frank]All this does is give you the ability to screw your engine and place the blame somewhere else…other than yourself…
Someone please show me how this ecu is better than the stock oem EFI vs a custom tune and post up a dyno sheet showing the performance gains vs money spent…
Show me one 2ZZ powered Lotus making over 350 rwhp with this ecu…
Unless you are a real tuner with computer skills and your own dyno you’d have to be mental not to get a reflash vs a new ecu and it’s base maps to start with. I have never seen a aftermarket ecu drive as smoothly as a reflashed ecu, there is just too much R&D into the oem ecu…but I’d like to be proven wrong. Show me. [/quote]
Let’s see a video of a Lotus with this ecu being driven in the real world of idle, stop and go traffic and cruising…
Are all the obd2 warning codes functioning ?
Does it run a wideband ?
Is there a base tune to start from and user friendly software with each ecu ?
Yo trackclub, send me a plug and play emerald to play with and if it works as advertised I’ll buy it…
[quote=trackclubif you don’t think it’s better then I’ll refund you and swap back. [/quote]
Guys you cant say fairer than that.
This will be a good choice for people who are too far away to get maps done or want a more flexible solution, however, the ECU we have in our cars can do just about everything and change every variable you need to tune the 2ZZ in whichever configuration you want, on top of that it just works properly and allows the car to be like a standard car no matter what level of tune you have, to me that is worth the money of traveling and paying for it to be remapped, if you go standalone (i have on other cars) you can easily be in a world of pain trying to get certain elements to work properly and this doesn’t always suit a daily used road car like most of ours are.
Let’s see a video of a Lotus with this ecu being driven in the real world of idle, stop and go traffic and cruising…
It will drive as good as or better than standard.
Are all the obd2 warning codes functioning ? Yes
Does it run a wideband ? Yes
Is there a base tune to start from and user friendly software with each ecu ? Yes
I’m nothing to do with Emerald, you’ll need to ask them the same questions. I’m talking about the EP Tuning one.
Don’t do stuff for free, you can buy one and if it’s shit I’ll refund you and buy you a pint for wasting your timne…
Ahh I don’t buy anything that isn’t proven…as those that have bought the BS from Komotec and Bemanni in the past… Ahh I thought ths was made by emerald, my mistake…
So send me a EP Tuning ecu and if it’s as good as you say I’ll buy it and tell everyone “you be da man”… No one has the R$D bucks the oem has put into the standard ecu for drivabilty…If your’s is better you are gonna have to prove it…
My 600hp Exige drives as well as a stock 260 on the street with its custom tuned OEM ECU…
As I said before if it works as advertised I’ll buy it but if you don’t have enough faith in your product to send one for me to try and buy if it lives up to the hype I have a feeling I could be right again…
[quote=frank]Ahh I don’t buy anything that isn’t proven…as those that have bought the BS from Komotec and Bemanni in the past… Ahh I thought ths was made by emerald, my mistake…
So send me a EP Tuning ecu and if it’s as good as you say I’ll buy it and tell everyone “you be da man”… No one has the R$D bucks the oem has put into the standard ecu for drivabilty…If your’s is better you are gonna have to prove it…
My 600hp Exige drives as well as a stock 260 on the street with its custom tuned OEM ECU…
As I said before if it works as advertised I’ll buy it but if you don’t have enough faith in your product to send one for me to try and buy if it lives up to the hype I have a feeling I could be right again…[/quote]
I’ll prove elsewhere, you can read about it…I don’t have enough faith in human forum warriors to dish out �1000 kit to everyone that says ‘they da man’ innit!
Ask Emerald for one, maybe they’ll oblige…
[quote=trackclub][quote=frank]Ahh I don’t buy anything that isn’t proven…as those that have bought the BS from Komotec and Bemanni in the past… Ahh I thought ths was made by emerald, my mistake…
So send me a EP Tuning ecu and if it’s as good as you say I’ll buy it and tell everyone “you be da man”… No one has the R$D bucks the oem has put into the standard ecu for drivabilty…If your’s is better you are gonna have to prove it…
My 600hp Exige drives as well as a stock 260 on the street with its custom tuned OEM ECU…
As I said before if it works as advertised I’ll buy it but if you don’t have enough faith in your product to send one for me to try and buy if it lives up to the hype I have a feeling I could be right again…[/quote]
I’ll prove elsewhere, you can read about it…I don’t have enough faith in human forum warriors to dish out �1000 kit to everyone that says ‘they da man’ innit!
Ask Emerald for one, maybe they’ll oblige… [/quote]
That was too easy…
You just proved to me that you don’t have the goods and know it.
When it comes to the reflashed OEM ecu all other aftermarket so called solutions have all fallen short, without the hundreds of R&D hours put into the real streetable tune you have a bandaid and nothing more… :whistle:
Post up a video of your ecu in the real world, here’s mine with a smooth idle and 600 hp…
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Let’s see yours in the real world or I guess you not be da man den… 
Prove me wrong…
Wicked Frank !!! 2nd video sounds Like a freakin jet !!!
[quote=trackclub][quote=frank]Ahh I don’t buy anything that isn’t proven…as those that have bought the BS from Komotec and Bemanni in the past… Ahh I thought ths was made by emerald, my mistake…
So send me a EP Tuning ecu and if it’s as good as you say I’ll buy it and tell everyone “you be da man”… No one has the R$D bucks the oem has put into the standard ecu for drivabilty…If your’s is better you are gonna have to prove it…
My 600hp Exige drives as well as a stock 260 on the street with its custom tuned OEM ECU…
As I said before if it works as advertised I’ll buy it but if you don’t have enough faith in your product to send one for me to try and buy if it lives up to the hype I have a feeling I could be right again…[/quote]
I’ll prove elsewhere, you can read about it…I don’t have enough faith in human forum warriors to dish out �1000 kit to everyone that says ‘they da man’ innit!
Ask Emerald for one, maybe they’ll oblige… [/quote]
Well, it’s your business of course, so entirely your choice. When I was looking to crack the US Lotus Elise/Exige market I sent an exhaust to an individual with the message “Try it. If you like it, pay me.” I had faith in my product and I had done some homework on the individual/US forums. I would advise that Frank’s more than a forum warrior.
The US market is important to any manufacturer and you will need all the assistance you can get.
Jim, I really dont believe your new design of large bore manifold works at all…you’d better send me one to try.
I’m with whitey and I think our air is different up here (smog) so I better have one too, just to make sure we can see figures on a good ol northern dyno.
Trust me (as I know) Jim does very much look after the people who test his kit out for him