I know this has been covered before but… has anyone got any further views on the Moroso oil pan ? Any problems or praise etc.
Having looked into the accusump I feel the complexity of fitting is quite high.
Also the Moroso will work out substantially cheaper and as I will only do an occasional track day I,m thinking/hoping that it’ll do the job for me.
Currently a standard 2006 S Exige with Ohlins fitted.
Power upgrade sometime in the future…
I feel I need something in this department after being scared at how harsh (in terms of oil) some of the corners at Spa are!
But I was told by Lotus that they felt that no baffled sump option actually did any good - is this what the Moroso is?
They said of the options they tested the Accusump was the only solution
The problem doesn’t seem to be one of starvation, it’s oil not being able to return to the pickup.
I’ve got one fitted to mine, but was on when I bought it. no leaks or any problems at all. As yet not tested on track.
Worth having a look on Lotus Talk website as quite a few people in USA have had problems with leaks.
Dave
I feel I need something in this department after being scared at how harsh (in terms of oil) some of the corners at Spa are!
But I was told by Lotus that they felt that no baffled sump option actually did any good - is this what the Moroso is?
They said of the options they tested the Accusump was the only solution
The problem doesn’t seem to be one of starvation, it’s oil not being able to return to the pickup.
I’d heard similar, but as well as having baffles the moroso has an extra litre in capacity so there should be more oil in the sump even if there are problems with the return.
I feel I need something in this department after being scared at how harsh (in terms of oil) some of the corners at Spa are!
But I was told by Lotus that they felt that no baffled sump option actually did any good - is this what the Moroso is?
They said of the options they tested the Accusump was the only solution
The problem doesn’t seem to be one of starvation, it’s oil not being able to return to the pickup.
I have to wonder whether the ‘accepted’ wisdom that an Accusump is better than a baffled sump has as much to do with the fact that Lotus sell the Accusump as their solution as whether or not the baffled sump is effective.
The Moroso adds a litre capacity and the baffles keep the oil round the pickup, so even if oil in the head is having trouble getting back to the sump, there’s about 20% more oil in the system to start with, and more of that oil will be available because it’s around the pickup.
I’m looking to buy a Moroso sump and have it fitted at the next service unless I can come up with a compelling reason not to. Otherwise I would get an Accusump, but would prefer the simplicity of the Moroso.
I thought the “problem” was in the oil getting to the head, not leaving it.
Without upsetting an apple cart, are they really needed ?
How many of the S2 LTDRC have them ?
I’m not an expert, but I’ve driven a Quattro A3, an M3, a R32 and a 987S around Spa and never had any problems… so why do we think Toyota needs additional help !!!
Without upsetting an apple cart, are they really needed ?
How many of the S2 LTDRC have them ?
I’m not an expert, but I’ve driven a Quattro A3, an M3, a R32 and a 987S around Spa and never had any problems… so why do we think Toyota needs additional help !!!
Car is pulling about 1.5G through some corners on 48s so for me it was a case of safe instead of sorry. I’d been running with just a pressure gauge with warning light for a while and not been conscious of a problem, but it makes sense that the oil isn’t going to be getting hack into the sump as swiftly under those conditions.
Well I had one fitted to my S/C Exige & had no problems although I have to say the only big end failure I have looked at on a Toyota was because of a manufacturing fault as the bearings on one rod had been installed incorrectly leading to them spinning in the caps!
I (Sinclairs anyway) fitted a Moroso when I had the Katana kit fitted.
No problems, a very well made piece of kit.
For the cost, better safe than sorry
Accusump on the Cup and one of the other Egixe S models - I suspect for a reason…!
Having been in Johnny’s Exige which has Ohlins (awesome) combined with the power mine has - I think it would be rather sensible!
If no baffled sump is good enough in Lotus’ opinion, they bloody should have engineered their own sump instead of using the generic Toyota crap.
Anyone that has experience or seen how the 2ZZ-GE OEM Toyota oil pan will know that it’s not only substandard but far from being competent to be used on a “track ready” car from factory.
The Moroso oil pan has 2 versions, while either version is a well engineered product vs. the OEM Toyota crap. If you do trackwork regular or not, this is basic insurance vs. the endless crap of mods put on the car (IE - Little power gaining, more emissions and noise exhausts.)
While the Accusump is also a half-done band-aid solution [pumping/constant feed oil into the OEM Toyota is no different to having a half-sump aka baffled oil pan], the best available solution so far is to have an Accusump + Moroso Oil Pan at the same time for the ultimate track setup.
I suspect more owners will be more interested in investing their $$$ into how much more bhp they can extract vs. preventative maintenance/insurance modifications.
…if you do trackwork regular or not, this is basic insurance vs. the endless crap of mods put on the car (IE - Little power gaining, more emissions and noise exhausts.)
…I suspect more owners will be more interested in investing their $$$ into how much more bhp they can extract vs. preventative maintenance/insurance modifications.
Never a truer word Trouble is, it doesn’t sound as good, whilst leaning against the pub bar though
I have to agree with Noel. Baffled sump is a good idea full stop, if you are regularly tracking the car then the Accusump is a must.
…if you do trackwork regular or not, this is basic insurance vs. the endless crap of mods put on the car (IE - Little power gaining, more emissions and noise exhausts.)
…I suspect more owners will be more interested in investing their $$$ into how much more bhp they can extract vs. preventative maintenance/insurance modifications.
Never a truer word Trouble is, it doesn’t sound as good, whilst leaning against the pub bar though
Accusump looks quite good under neons in the boot tho
Accusump looks quite good under neons in the boot tho
Will suit Middo then
Hi all ,
update … I have now fitted the moroso.
Overall a nice piece of engineering well made.
Cost �430 for the sump
�70 for two 5 litre cans of mobil 1 (one is not enough)
Fitting … took me 4 hours.
Quite tricky to fit as there is a baffle plate inside the engine that fouls the sump , Hangar 111 say that you can slacken the 4 bolts holding this plate and slide it out of the way to clear.
Not on mine I couldnt… I had to remove the plate along with the oil pickup pipe and machine it to clear.
About 20 dry fits later it was ready to be sealed up.
Also the sump comes with 16 longer studs as the flange of the sump is thicker than the standard one…Don’t fit the 4 studs to the block next to the flywheel as you won’t get the sump on (flywheel fouls it). Instead fit these 4 studs after the sump is in place.
Started up and checked for leaks… dry as a bone.
I reckon a garage may have done it in 3 hours on a ramp.
JK
Important Notes;
just checked after 150 miles…
Slight leaks from the sump plug and the two other plugs… tightened them all another few degrees…
The other 2 plugs are for sensors to be fitted (IE - Oil temperature and pressure), if it’s not used. It’s good to re-seal them with plumbers’ tape.