Frank, sorry, but Randys little drive of your car doesn’t hold much weight (nothing against Randy at all)
Completely disagree that track conditions don’t show the quality of the tune/modifications. How else are you going to prove that the mods you have done can hold up to the abuse that they need to? Look at all the problems Angelo had with his GT3 car, it looks to be super fast now, but he’s ‘only’ running 500bhp? Are you confident your car can put up with that type of usage and remain intact?
The only place you can realistically hope to put that performance (and its longevity) to the test is on the track.
[quote=DaveP]Frank, sorry, but Randys little drive of your car doesn’t hold much weight (nothing against Randy at all)
Completely disagree that track conditions don’t show the quality of the tune/modifications. How else are you going to prove that the mods you have done can hold up to the abuse that they need to? Look at all the problems Angelo had with his GT3 car, it looks to be super fast now, but he’s ‘only’ running 500bhp? Are you confident your car can put up with that type of usage and remain intact?
The only place you can realistically hope to put that performance (and its longevity) to the test is on the track.
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My engine has had over 200 pulls on the dyno for it’s current tune, that like 200 1/4mi. runs on the same engine, actualy more since my tuning pulls are all 15 sec. long.
Dude I’ve got thousands of miles on my car in the real world of stop and go traffic in LA heat and thousands of canyon miles and I can tell you in the canyons the revs never go below 5,000 rpm and hit 10,000 rpm at times. No one does endurance tuning on a track they drive out to Death Valley and pull hills at 170mph in 118*f heat… That’s where I tune and that’s what my car was built for, not some 20 min. track day session…
Hey I’m not sellin anything so why then should you believe me…
[quote=JDS]Funny that, these are your words from the Emerald thread - One day on the dyno and 3 hrs. of street fine tuning and I have a perfectly runin 663bhp Lotus…
Agreed, gearbox is an issue, but not insurmountable as you have shown. You may be surprised how many people want the new, best widget on the market, and my understanding is the Lotus ecu doesn’t like the new best widget just bolting on. If you’re spending big money on engine, chargers, manifolds, injectors, pulleys, turbos, whats an ecu in conjunction with that, dyno time you were going to have to pay for anyway. A reflash might do it, but only one place in the uk, and they’re not particularly central, have a decent length lead time to get your car in and in the grand scheme of things, not that much difference in cost after a couple of new reflash’s. [/quote]
663 bhp was the begining it’s now 680 whp. Wanting and doing are two different things, hell I wanted the new EliseParts ECU but that is still in the works so why not go with something that works…
It’s startin to sound like Seloc here… Knock yourselfs out but if you want to know what works now not sometime in the future let’s talk on www.LotusSport.org
Hey I’m not sellin anything so why then should you believe me… [/quote]
I don’t, but then I’m not in the market to buy anything either.
I was simply stating that if you want your ‘message’ to get across, then you’d be far better off posting some real action footage rather than a few runs down a windy road.
If 680whp reliable exiges are relatively easy to do, where are they and why arent they out there winning race after race?
Guys, don’t bother replying! Only Frank is allowed to try to improve things. He has approved the stock rECU emap and AEM, therefore that’s what we are allowed!
[quote=Adamantium]Guys, don’t bother replying! Only Frank is allowed to try to improve things. He has approved the stock rECU emap and AEM, therefore that’s what we are allowed! [/quote]When some new chump jumps up sayin he’s gonna do this and that and really has no clue what’s involved I laugh…
As I said DaveP it’s sounding just like Seloc when guys talk shit about things they will never do or do they know how things are done…
Guys can easily drive around in 680whp Exiges but most are too cheap or too fuqin stupid to know how to do it…
Adamantium you talk the talk but let’s see you can walk the walk…
I say you should change your name to “Unobtainium”…
I’ve been modding cars for years, lots of different ones. I just started tinkering with lotus, doesn’t mean I just started tinkering. I might be new here, but I’m not new to this game.
You have no idea what I have done, what I know and what I understand. I know all you’ve done because you constantly tell people how good it is.
Frankly I think it’s pathetic you’ve only got 680 American horsepower. I five years with what you’ve done you should have 1000. How embarrassing for you.
I am in the process of patenting a system that runs a gt42 on a 2 litre engine and produces 30 psi boost from idle to the redline, but since you didn’t develop it, I guess it’s irrelevant. This system doesn’t need to be compound, and there’s no parasitic loss.
You probably thought of it five years ago! oh wait, no you didn’t because otherwise I couldn’t patent it!
It’s irrelevant because you’ve seen and done everything, and anything else unthought of yet is pointless, otherwise you’d have thought of it already.
My 2p …
What Frank achieved is nowt short of remarkable…
Essex can and do live mapping ,and in the days of 60% throttle opening their services were essential…
Now that the 260 ecu is freely available however its very simple to get over 300 bhp with no reprogramming…
For me 300 ish is all I want cos …
A) I can’t bloody drive it properly
B) any more then the cost spirals exponentially and i,d be better off with a Westfield Cossie …
I’m not trying to take away from what frank has done, it’s hugely impressive, but I object to being told there’s no point trying to consider other options.
I want live mapping, but don’t want to be held to ransom by the one company in the uk who offers it, and I personally know people at ecu manufacturers in the uk who make some of the best excusing he world, so why not see what can be done?
I’ve been modding cars for years, lots of different ones. I just started tinkering with lotus, doesn’t mean I just started tinkering. I might be new here, but I’m not new to this game.
You have no idea what I have done, what I know and what I understand. I know all you’ve done because you constantly tell people how good it is.
Frankly I think it’s pathetic you’ve only got 680 American horsepower. I five years with what you’ve done you should have 1000. How embarrassing for you.
I am in the process of patenting a system that runs a gt42 on a 2 litre engine and produces 30 psi boost from idle to the redline, but since you didn’t develop it, I guess it’s irrelevant. This system doesn’t need to be compound, and there’s no parasitic loss.
You probably thought of it five years ago! oh wait, no you didn’t because otherwise I couldn’t patent it!
It’s irrelevant because you’ve seen and done everything, and anything else unthought of yet is pointless, otherwise you’d have thought of it already. [/quote]Ahhh engineering arrogance I love it…
Those that can do, those that can’t patent an idea…
I built a 900 whp RS200E in 1989, you did what ?
680 American whp is still 380 whp more than any thing I’ve seen coming out of the UK so far… If you wanna start slagin the US with your pompus bullshit I’ll start remembering the 15,000 Yanks your ancestors left dead and rotting on prison ships in New York Harbor 1783…
But I have too many friends in the UK to bring up the past but in your case I’ll make an exception… I’ve never made any a derogatory remark ever against any one when having a discussion but I find it is now pissing me off after all these years… I talk cars but if you wanna get down I promise you I’ll rip your fuqin head off in person… I’m pissed off at the bullshit that comes from pompous assholes…
You miss the point, I think american’s are fantastic engineers and have all the time in the world for them, I just think dynojet dynos were wrongly calibrated in the beginning in order to fit in with industry expectations of motorbike tuning.
I don’t rate bhp as a measure of power, as there are too many variables. Quarter mile Terminal velocity is the best indication of tuning success but drag strips don’t interest me.
This is nothing to do with us versus uk. I prefer the us, been trying to convince my family we should move to orange county for years as I love the place, and California as a whole.
This all started because you cant just let people try their own ideas. You have to know better just because you’ve got a bit of power. Well done.
It’s all about achievement for you. You measure your success in whp, I measure mine in happiness and experiences/memories, and to a lesser extent wealth.
And FYI, I am the patent attorney, not the inventor, I specialise in the motor industry and know the difference between the cr4p and the good stuff.
But then those who can’t, patent, so what do I know? I’ll tell that to the few hundred people I know who have become millionaires through their patents.
This isn’t personal, I just think you need to chill out and let others try to innovate. They (we) might fail, but it’s fun, and we get an excuse to tinker with cars, which we all love, so why not?
Sorry for gettin so pissy it’s just that after six years of hearing some guys slaging off anything developed on this side of the pond for the Lotus and always using Yank or American in a derogatory manor pisses me off. I never bring in a guys nationality, race or sexual preference when talkin cars… So let’s leave it out.
As for dynos I always post DynaPac numbers and videos all my tuning is on the same dyno at Tri-Point Engineering for the last 5 yrs.
Yes it is true I don’t make a cent or have I tried to screwin with the Lotus. I developed the ronin/katana supercharger kit for myself. Sector111 wanted to sell it so we shook hands but a hand shake deal didn’t cut it with Shinoo Mapleton and he still owes me over $20,000.00 in royalties promised from the $100 per kit…
I always try and steer guys in the right direction so that they don’t waste their time and money buyin the bullshit being sold to guys that don’t know better…
I’ve made my living with cars in the past and have the free time to screw around with this crackerjack box of a car…
So let’s see these other ECU solutions at work its been long enough…Did I tell ya I hate attorneys ?
It’s probably not worth telling you this but in the UK, attorney only refers to patent attorney. Unlike in the US we are engineers who learn the law to apply it to patents and we can only practise in the field of patents (and some other ares of IP). In the states, they are attorneys first and can represent a client in any field, they just specialise in patents, which helps if they happen to understand engineering too. (See TV prog Harry’s law for an example!).
Anyway, no offence taken by me, I’m an “attorney” - we are thick skinned.
I appareciate the steering on the ecu front. I can tell you the development is done on the ecu I am particularly interested in and is already working in a car, it’s just a case of getting it to talk to the standard dash now so that it becomes plug and play.
As for remapping the stock ECU, once I found out it was EFI based, and knowing the workload of the relevant companies, I know already that it’s a non starter. They are too tied up producing ECU hacks for cars where they can make $50 a car but on millions of cars a month. It makes sense to commit resources where the returns are.
I do appreciate the input, especially on a technical front. Once I can I’d love to share the antilag set up information with you and everyone. It’s going to change the tuning world big time, although it takes some genius controlling to make it work well that from what I gather is more difficult than balancing on a knife edge, but when it works!
It’s actually the perfect solution for you Frank. You could scrap your supercharger. Make the engine really low compression and stick a HUGE turbo on without any downside - except the cost of fuel - another reason why I want to move to SOCAL.
I just came back from SEMA - big mistake - they had to drag me away screaming from Laguna Beach, and my wife wants to divorce me because I’m so depressed having to remain in this country which right now seems to have no redeeming features. (sorry to the brits reading this!).
As for anti lag you have to spend huge bucks on the proper metals to handle the job and live and if its varriable vained the same holds true… Low compression and high boost have their limitations as I’ve played with this in the past with 6.6/1 on my old RS200E…I have zero lag with my current setup.
But you have my attention.
To be honest I’m at the limit for power with the 4cyl 2ZZ as a street car since I feel I’m at the limit of the ACL rod bearing working load at 170 hp per cylinder… You can only get so much oil between the bearing and crank journal under the pressures at this level.
As for the fuel consumption it doesn’t bother me since I now run 91 octane up to 22psi. and then my staged alcohol injectors come into play… 27 mpg at 70 mph 8 mpg at full tilt… There is no way to run any leaner at full boost. After all you can’t make power without fuel/air/spark.
Think you may have shot yourself in the foot by publishing how it works.
The antilag I am talking about uses a combuster upstream of the turbo to produce a smooth flow of exhaust gas, no different from that coming out of the engine. As a result it has no greater impact on the turbo then normal use, it doesn’t go bang bang bang like the rally cars, and EGTs run at a max of around 900 celsius.
