Right lads, advice please. I’ve got a bog standard 220 S touring and am ready to start the never ending persuit of more power.
I bought the new 4-1 manifold, decat, H2 Trackday GT3, poly engine mounts and TRD airbox. all of which are now fitted (minus the vsv!). I’m booked into EA on the 20th for the ECU remap and setup for the stuff i have so far which i know isn’t much.
Q1) I’m waiting for a Forge IC but is it safe to go ahead as is… or should i wait for the IC to be fitted first?
Q2) will fitting the IC a week or so after the remap have a detrimental effect?
Q3) What else should i get done while i’m down at EA (small enough to carry out in a day).
Cheers for all constructive responses! 
If you are mapping it I’d suggest a smaller pulley and bigger injectors too , also I think the mapping will be best done with the Forge on …
I’m thinking the mapper will go too conservative if the standard ic is still on as things will quickly heat up …
Cheers jfk.
a Forge IC will be with me by next Tuesday (cheers Will!!) and i’ll advise Wayne to prepare some 550cc injectors and a smaller pulley!
Looking at doing something similar in the near future, make sure you let us know how you get on!
Will do Tom. as long as it doesn’t go BANG!! i’ll be happy i think! 
Smaller pulley = more boost = more power = more heat.
Forge IC makes sense, might want to think about upgrading the fuel pump if your approaching 300 horses although Wayne will let you know what you need as they find the limits.
Not too sure what size pulleys people have been using with the forge setup, come on tell us so we know what is good
If you can’t find anyone to tell you what they are running then go with Wayne judgement, but I would be cautious of going any smaller than a 3" pulley unless you are feeling brave Remember most with charge coolers are only running 2.9" like me, with the odd mad person running a 2.8" (but not for track use)
Was waiting for someone else to say it but you may find that fitting a Forge is a waste of money as anyone going near 300bhp should probably be looking at chargecoolers
Essex will advise the same me thinks
^^^^^^ Utter crap speculation!!! ^^^^^^
STONE cold Forge after very spirited driving here …
At 6 psi It’s no where near its limit !!!
Airflow is of UTMOST importance tho … fortunately it is easily achieved …
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Everyone I have spoken to has said the same - 300 + bhp and you need chargecooling. Not naming names but I don’t think they are talking crap/speculating - might be wrong
I’ve got a Forge on my car and although it’s probably better than stock I haven’t seen any indications that it’s giving me any real performance gains
Everyone on here that’s running 300 + is running CC’s aren’t they ???
and I suppose a 4-1 still makes it run lean too???
I don’t suppose for one minute that these people may be protecting their incomes … would they ??
I think you are correct that all above 270 are running CCs
I don’t see any reason why you can’t run 300hp with a forge but if used on track it will heat soak more quickly than a CC but not as fast as a standard one.
As previously stated it is all about airflow to the cooling area so, a large scoop help as does opening out the letter box and adding the extra side entries, however even with these it still does not have the same air flow as the front heat exchanging radiator of the Proalloy CC (I can’t speak for the others not knowing their setups).
One large roof scoop plus both side pods frontal area is a LARGE area for catching air … providing the bottlenecks are kept to a minimum the air will simply venturi through the constrictions with little loss…
Oh no, just checked and we are out of crab cakes, off to tesco. Wait till I get back!
Staying away from the ‘lean’ debate after the last thread 
As Ade says it may be possible to run 300 + with a Forge or similar but the enemy of more power is heat and from what I’ve seen/read & been told that 300 + generates more heat than the IC can deal with effectively in it’s existing position directly on top of the engine.
I supose it’s one of those ‘Guinea Pig’ needed moments - someone needs to take the plunge on a remap, pulley, manifold with a uprated IC and see what happens - brave men please step forward
I have stocked up just for threads like this one 
I’m in that Tesco delivery truck as I type this !
I’ll see if there,s any in the back ???
…no wonder Tesco trucks are slow … they all have INTERCOOLERS …
Doh I’ll put in a suggestion for the fleet to get chargecoolers
i chose the Forge as a starting point. if i need CC at a later stage then so be it.
I shall be pushing 300+ with an intercooler when I get my car back to EA , thing is intercoolers are not dyno friendly because you cant replicate the airflow when on the rollers that you would get with real driving but im sure the can test on road .