Were the FIA right ?

I 2nd that. (hope you mean JA)

Thirded!

The number of times during the race he told the audience that Schumi was starting from the back was painful. Do that many people really switch on half way through, especially when there’s highlights in the evening?! And did anybody count the number of “on the bubble remarks”?! (a line Brundle introduced him to and he hopelessly over uses)

I could do a better job, I mean it. He was good in the pitlane but now just witters.

Although they both missed Kimi almost doing the same ‘mistake’ as MS, although he (obviously) got away with it.

[Rant over, glad I’m not the only one that dislikes him…and have you seen his hair of late?! I have no style BUT! ]

Ian

Back to the original topic…Sir Jackie was spot on, & Schumacher was very sheepish in the post race interview. Guilty as charged

Tim.

There are certain world champions in car and bike racing whose achievements will always be meaningless to me because they deliberately drove into people to be world champion-Schumacher-Adelaide-Damon Hill,Senna-Prost-Japan,Capirossi-Japanese bike GP-rode Harada off the track.People like Coultard would never do that so even though not champions their achievements actually matter.

So what about all the other times they didn’t hit anyone but had the skill and gutts to go for it and make it count. As for DC, I belive he won the star of tomorrow title in 1989… still waiting then

I whole heartily agree with your point on DC, but to say that the achievements of, quite frankly, some of the motor sport Gods are meaningless, is well�short sighted of you. To disregard their triumphs because they were �feisty� is to akin to saying that because Van Gogh attempted to burn down the workshop of a fellow painter who he had a tiff with (honest truth), that then makes his Sunflowers no better than the my painting of a Tree that I did when I was 7.

David

…is well�short sighted of you.

Hope you never need emergency dental treatment, whilst in N Yorks, young David, cos you’ll then find out how shortsighted he is!

For what it’s worth, I agree to a large extent with Ducatiman. People who cheat (& yes, it is cheating), demean themselves & their achievements - it’s not as though they needed to cheat for their fantastic talents to shine through for all to see. Even bloody footballers have started doing it now! (Note: irony!)

Well if you cheat you will get caught. If you drive like a girl you will get caught and passed. There are only a hand full of greats, the rest… well i’d say if Mr Pesky had as much track time as them he’d be coming third at Monaco

Well if you cheat you will get caught.

Schumi & Senna - both have cheated, got caught, & then nothing happened, cos the authorities were too scared to take disciplinary action. (Everyone then loses out, the honest drivers, the sport & the spectating public). They are both “greats” (particularly Senna IMHO), but…

Monaco I once scored at the “Monaco Ballroom” in Oldham

Monaco I once scored at the “Monaco Ballroom” in Oldham

Ahhh those happy simple days before war broke out eh Pesk

I’d say these things happen when drivers think they are bigger than the sport. When done the FIA.

Ian

Monaco I once scored at the “Monaco Ballroom” in Oldham

Ahhh those happy simple days before war broke out eh Pesk

I know I shouldn’t…ah what the heck! - LOL!

JPM, another true pro http://www.break.com/index/f1-crash.html

The point Im making is that the cheating was obvious at the time but they denied it and then admitted it years later.

Is that the 1st or 2nd world war?

Last words from me I promise-I was 50/50 on whether it was deliberate and isnt it amazing how well DC went with contract time looming re RED BULL owners comments on CEEFAX.

Going back 3 posts…I can see your point. If I was Schumacher I would have just said “you can’t blame me for trying, I payed the price…end of story”.

The FIA did the correct thing, maybe Schumacher cost himself a win, he should know better.

JPM, another true pro > http://www.break.com/index/f1-crash.html >

LOL… absolutely 150% Bernie Ecclestones fault

I’d say these things happen when drivers think they are bigger than the sport. When done the FIA.

Ian

mmm… i disagree IDG… I never ever felt good about anything i got thru’ cheating but I think in th ecases we are all thinking of, these guys don’t actually conciously cheat… the reason they are all so gordarm ferkin brilliant is because they are focussed on only 1 thing and have the mental ability to completely shut out everything else around them to achieve their aim… none of them (i mean the truly brilliant ones) do this for the money or the lifestyle, I believe they they do it because they love winning and they love winning in th eseat of a race-car more than life itself… a bit philosophical but that’s how I see it.

I think the FIA taking a hard line was absolutely correct - the big issue for me in this is that for everyone outside the Ferrari team it was guilty until proven innocent - borne mainly because we all believe Shumi is very very capable of doing this to gain an advantage… is it also assumed he isn’t capable of making an error ?? but also is he not quite clever enough to think it all the way thru’ ??.. To me at least - he looked like man-of-the-match on Sunday… even from 2nd row he might have won - but it was going to take a miracle for him to get on th epodium from a pitlane start… and you know what… he almost did it !! (helped by the number of failures, but almost nonetheless)

The biggest issue that I foresee is that the FIA have set a very dangerous president, and now if anyone spins off in quali - in front of a Ferrari in particular - the FIA are going to have to shove them to the back of the grid, just to keep the peace.

David

So don’t spin… but if you do the FIA will be able to tell if it was ment or not. It’s far to much effort to cheat like that.

Back handers to the correct people have a better effect.