Surely there’s a different final drive that can be fitted?
In reply to N17VES ******
I’m hearing a very different cost estimate down here in the Midlands…
10 hours to remove and fit box
7 hours to fit Jubu gears
3 hours to replace syncro rings + clean LSD
= 1200 quid labour if all goes well …
Then another 1000 quid for oil cooler…
Then another 1500 quid for Jubu gears + bearings + syncro rings + sundries+ oil etc…
That’s 3700 quid for something that may or may not last ( depends who you speak to ?) .
N17VES your costings seem way off what I’m hearing !
But thanks for posting …pm sent
Weird you would do the syncro rings at the same time as the gears? Plus for the road I don’t feel you need the cooler 
I think the 3 hours quoted were for removal and cleaning of the LSD Ade more than for changing syncro rings …
I agree on my car which isn’t heavily tracked that an oil cooler probably wouldn’t be of any benefit .
Mine was �4K so seems about right.
The inside of my box was a right mess.
Ex77
[quote=jfk]In reply to N17VES ******
I’m hearing a very different cost estimate down here in the Midlands…
10 hours to remove and fit box
7 hours to fit Jubu gears
3 hours to replace syncro rings + clean LSD
= 1200 quid labour if all goes well …
Then another 1000 quid for oil cooler…
Then another 1500 quid for Jubu gears + bearings + syncro rings + sundries+ oil etc…
That’s 3700 quid for something that may or may not last ( depends who you speak to ?) .
N17VES your costings seem way off what I’m hearing !
But thanks for posting …pm sent [/quote]
Wow!! I paid less than half that including a new clutch!
Its definitely not 10 hours to remove and fit the gearbox, more like 7 for a decent indie.
Mine was about �4k but I did buy a 2nd hand gearbox and an LSD in that as well,
3.5K to sort the chocolate gearbox, take that and add the resale value of the 'yota powertrain and the Audi swaps start to look better value!
�4k to sort the gearbox with a fix that might not work!!! Ouch 
I’d buy a clio 172 cup to drive and leave the exige in the garage so I could touch it and stroke the new carbon bits I got with my change 
Problem is, for me if I wanted an Audi converted car I would buy an S1. Sadly, no matter what anyone says converted cars are just not as reliable on the whole, and they still have their own niggles.
Given the performance you can get for such little money from the toyota powered cars, �2k (+ options) is not that much to sure up the gearbox.
you pays your money and makes your choice, for me it was and still is an easy choice toyota power all the way 
Thing is depending the power point each configuration has it’s strengths and weaknesses.
190bhp - NA Yota is cheap, plentiful and reliable.
220bhp - Honda NA stronger with better gearbox
220-240bhp - Yota SC OEM availability and good tuning platform
260bhp - Easy and relatively cheap to get a yota SC to.
280bhp - Yota Charge coolers and so, gearbox heat issues?
280bhp - Honda SC bolt on, reliable enough
300bhp - Yota box melts
340bhp - Honda SC C/C cammed, box holds up fine
400+ - Gotta be Audi land although would love to see some monster power K20s.
caveat emptor: I only have experience of two 220hp options, rest is 'forum expertise :-p
Honda [cough] driveshafts [cough] :whistle:
yeah indeed, although mines 24k in and not popped one, although that might change when its got a blower thrown on.
I’m hearing a very different cost estimate down here in the Midlands…
10 hours to remove and fit box
7 hours to fit Jubu gears
3 hours to replace syncro rings + clean LSD
= 1200 quid labour if all goes well …
Then another 1000 quid for oil cooler…
Then another 1500 quid for Jubu gears + bearings + syncro rings + sundries+ oil etc…
That’s 3700 quid for something that may or may not last ( depends who you speak to ?) .
N17VES your costings seem way off what I’m hearing !
But thanks for posting …pm sent
OK, for a bit of clarity on what we have estimated for JFK, over the phone, thinking worst case scenario, sat in the van on the way to one of our suppliers, about 10 mins after it had failed and going from memory.
We charge 10 hours to remove and refit gearbox, less for an NA � book time is 12 for SC and 10 for NA. Yes, I�m sure that it can be done quicker, but compare like with like. Would you prefer your exhaust to be released from its flange, or the engine to use your shiney �800 manifold as support while the gearbox is removed/refitted? Do you want the rear tracking and camber checked after you have removed/refitted the N/S/R corner? Etc. Could be doing others a big dis service, but thats what is included in our price.
Gearbox then sent to be repaired, so carriage both ways. Approx �280 labour at their end, plus any parts required. Every Toyota box we have sent has had needed at least one bearing, and thats before all the broken parts of the gears are sent through them. If any synchros needed changing, now would be the time, we know Toyota synchros aren�t that great and JFK had previously said they were a little baulky. Bit of a stab in the dark at �300 from previous invoices.
Jubu gears are �680 for the 3rd/4th set. Gear oil is �13.90 a quart, almost 3 needed.
�500 labour to remove/refit/etc
�60 carriage
�280 subcontracting on the box
�300 ish, bits inside over and above the Jubu gears
�680 Jubu gears
�42 oil
Gets to �1862. Then add VAT gets to �2234. This also included getting JFK�s car from his house on a trailer and bringing it to the worshop.
Gearbox cooler is completely optional. Agreed that heat is not the only cause of the failure, but it has to be part of the problem. If Ade was seeing 140 degrees C and a cooler drops it to 90, does dropping 50% of the temperature not seem like a good way forward? Certainly it wasn�t designed for that temp, and cast ally spec�d for a certain temp does weird stuff over this. If you want one fitted, then its another �1000 or so once its fitted with VAT.
As for the Jubu gears failing, I have spent an hour or so trying to find any references of it, without luck. Could be looking in the wrong place obviously, but would like to see some pics of what has failed and in what circumstances.
Kin ell …
What have I started ??
All good mate, better to compare costs of apples with apples. Rather than apples with penguins!!! 
The Jubu gears generally don’t seem to fail from what I’ve read, but they do put strain on the next component in the chain which was not designed for the increased power.
Anyway, back to my previous question John, Audi box? You’ve done one , yes? How much is the guestimate for roll the car in and hand it back ? (not holding you to anything, merely preparing the bank manager)
Feck me, no popcorn in and I have a trapped nerve in my leg and can’t get to the shops!
Interesting on the Jubu gears breaking the next bit along the line. Any more info?? To be fair, thats racing and track days for you though. Break the weak bit, fix it for something much better. Repeat process until you could have bought a GT3 RS
Audi box, no not done one. Went a little way down the road at the end of last year, but then heard rumours that the Eliseparts Honda box was done, and figured too late. Keep thinking about it though, discussed it again this week. Mounts/linkage would transfer over from the complete Audi instal with a bit of mdification. Clutch, flywheel and adaptor plate are the sticking point.
And I sold my Toyota engine out of my S2 last year, so would need to source one to get stuff mocked up