lets just stop the converation short-The S1 is the only real exige and the S2 is just Slightly tarted up 111R. Air con i have but not through choice-It was just there. I much prefer to have the window open to be honnest.
The above excludes the 240R-240-Cup and Cup exige.
So if you had a Cup or a 240 AC would be ok?
no perspex - i have the good type of exige
Chicken wire
Seriously though, doesnt that stuff let the water into the engine bay?
lets just stop the converation short-The S1 is the only real exige and the S2 is just Slightly tarted up 111R. Air con i have but not through choice-It was just there. I much prefer to have the window open to be honnest.
The above excludes the 240R-240-Cup and Cup exige.So if you had a Cup or a 240 AC would be ok?
More than Ok mate, Even though they are the s2 they are a fantastic bit of kit and Iif i could have afford one i would have had one
no perspex - i have the good type of exige
Chicken wire
Seriously though, doesnt that stuff let the water into the engine bay?
My S1 lets water in through the vent and on to the engine when i wash! I was lead to bealive this was normal. I always wipe it up though
My S1 lets water in through the vent and on to the engine when i wash!
You keep your Exige in the bathroom?
well it is washed after use! so A bathroom would probs be the best place for it
quite tempted by a porker GT3 with 22k on it for �44k - thoughts?
Yet again an excellent price…i’d LOVE a white one with the blue or red livery!
I think you’re thinking of the GT3 RS, which’d be more.
I rather like going past GT3s on track, proves the Exiges value. Depending on drivers, GT3s and Exiges can be pretty equally matched.
And before anybody gets the impression I’m talking about inappropriate trackday racing, I’m not. I’m talking ‘playing’, it’s a real joy being quite close to another driver you trust and are a similar pace to on track.
Ian
�44k and 22,000 miles will most probably be buying you a 5yr old, mk1 GT3. Word of caution with these cars in that they never had any weather sealant placed on the floorpans and are prone to corrosion. The one to get if you can find it that is, would be 1 of the 140 official cs (club sport) cars with the rollcage, etc already in place. They still hold there money very well. The latter (04) MK2’s are going for 50k+ and the RS’s well on the wrong side of 60k.
As much as I would like to think an Exige is as fast a GT3, Im afaid that just isn’t the case. If you are toying with one on track, then the guy (or gal) who is driving it is probably a numpty and obviously doesn’t know how to… Perhaps with the execption of a few very tight and twisty tracks, the porker would walk the floor with the exige most of the time. It’s more on the top end than anywhere else it has it. For example, last year at Snetterton I was barely touching 125 down the back straight and really struggling to get anymore out of it, while my mate in his gt3 mk2 was touching 145+ and it was still pulling like an steam train, Same story at Donnington, Croft, Oulten Park etc. The only place to date I have had even half a chance of staying in touch with him was at Cadwell Park.
I would say that you and your mate have about the same driving ability.
When you get some more driving time under your belt, you’ll start to learn how to use the best traits of the Exige chassis to your advantage. Motor is not everything.
As a proof I was reading the results of the Tuner GP at Donington, same (control) driver (experienced) in all the timed runs:
Steve Butts Elise (DVA): 1:19.29
Honda Exige (Maidstone’s): 1:19.93
blah
blah
blah
Big Boys Toys Porsche GT3 (3.6L): 1:20.68
And yes, all of these are tuned, but this is the track where you say the differential is greater on power.
Don’t think so.
FWIW, I have never been overtaken by a Porsche GT3 on track. Some I’ve overtaken and some I’ve run even with. On those, the drivers were wearing their race suits so I assume they had some track experience.
OK, whatever you say…
Have you ever actually driven one, or for that matter even been a paassenger in one?? Would love to here what you would have to say if you had.
BTW Im not talking about heavily modified cars here, were talking both straight out the box, standard exige ‘v’ stadard GT3 and the GT3 will win every time, sorry but that is the way it is, theres just no comparison .
Fwiw, I have a fishing rod but cant catch fish…
no perspex - i have the good type of exige
Chicken wire
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That’s why if I would name my new Exige, it would be called Old McDonald
Have you ever actually driven one, or for that matter even been a paassenger in one?? Would love to here what you would have to say if you had.
Nope, haven’t, only been in one on the road. Impressive engine.
BTW, the same bloke had also a 190 Exige, and he preferred the Exige on track (actually, he also had a Radical, and he prefered that)
BTW Im not talking about heavily modified cars here, were talking both straight out the box, standard exige ‘v’ stadard GT3 and the GT3 will win every time, sorry but that is the way it is, theres just no comparison .
In your experience. In mine, as I said, with all the GT3’s I’ve found on trackdays, I’ve never been overtaken by one. And the trackday regulars have mentioned similar experiences.
But hey! who cares!
See you at Donington
Top gear Powerlap times:
Lotus Exige - 1.26.4
Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
Same driver.
P.S: never been in any of the two
Talk about a thread hi jack!!!
Fwiw, I have a fishing rod but cant catch fish…
Is it for sale then?
In your experience. In mine, as I said, with all the GT3’s I’ve found on trackdays, I’ve never been overtaken by one. And the trackday regulars have mentioned similar experiences.
But hey! who cares!
See you at Donington
No worries mate, I know exactly where you are coming from, and yes, I will agree the fact that there will be certain corners and sections that the Lotus will out handle the Porker. Theres no denying that David can beat Goliath under certain circumstances, but when you look at the bigger picture you can clearly see what you are getting for the extra money (30k extra) you have to spend to buy one…
As I said in my first post, on the right track an Exige will match a GT3 if not beat it, just as the top gear times would suggest. But compare those times and conditions (same track, same driver) to somewhere like the Nurbs and you will find that the GT3 is well over 30+ seconds infront of the Exige. One extreme to the other wouldn’t you agree?
Steve, yes there all for sale mate, along with the ski’s, kart’s, diving kit and the wife, I’m keeping the cat.
Nah! The Top gear GT3 time was in the soaking wet! The Exige time was in the dry if I remember rightly. The GT3 on similar spec. tyres is significantly quicker (driver for driver of course)
Its true you don’t see too many driven that quickly on track but I think often the guy who brings a �70k GT3 to the track isn’t prepared to risk pushing too hard for fear of wrecking it!
IIRC, the Exige ran in damp conditions.
Tim.
I always read these type of figures with a pinch of salt, but heres goes anyway. All times apparently done by the same guy with dry track conditions on standard fit tyres
LAPTIMES - Nordschleife (20.832km) btg
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BMW M3 GTR Schnitzer (11/2002) 7:12.25
Radical SR3 Turbo ( 7/2003) 7.19 (7:26 road tyres link???)
Porsche Carrera GT ( 9/2004) 7:32.44 (22.835km circuit)
TechArt-Porsche GT street ( 8/2001) 7:43
Pagani Zonda S ( 7/2002) 7:44
Porsche 911 GT2 ( 6/2001) 7:46
Porsche 911 GT3 RS ( 3/2004) 7:47
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup ( 2/1999) 7:49
Lamborghini Murci�lago ( 6/2002) 7:50
BMW M3 CSL ( 8/2003) 7:50
Mercedes SLR McLaren ( 6/2004) 7:52
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 (???) 7:52 (Unofficial)
Lamborghini Gallardo (12/2003) 7:52
Porsche 911 GT3 ( 6/2003) 7:54
Ferrari Challenge Stradale ( 2/2004) 7:56
Porsche 911 Turbo ( 6/2000) 7:56
Lotec-Porsche 911 Turbo ( 5/1998) 7:57
Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 (???) 7:59 (Unofficial)
Subaru Impreza WRX STi SPEC C (??/2004) 7:59
Porsche 911 GT3 ( 8/1999) 8:03
Lamborghini Diablo GT ( 7/2000) 8:04
Ferrari 575M Maranello (12/2002) 8:05
Ferrari 550 Maranello ( 6/1998) 8:07
Honda NSX-R ( 8/2002) 8:09 (7:56 claimed, link???)
Lamborghini Diablo SV ( 12/1997) 8:09
Ferrari F360 Modena ( 10/1999) 8:09
Donkervoort D8 180R ( 3/2001) 8:10
Chrysler Viper GTS ( 10/1997) 8:10
Mercedes SL55 AMG ( 5/2002) 8:12
Dodge Viper SRT-10 (10/2004) 8:13
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ( 5/1999) 8:13
AC-Schnitzer-BMW CLS III ( 11/1997) 8:16
Porsche 911 Carrera (10/2001) 8:17
Aston Martin V12 Vanquish ( 1/2003) 8:17
Porsche 911 Carrera ( 1/1998) 8:17
Chevrolet Corvette Com. Edition ( 9/2003) 8:18
Ferrari F355 ( 6/1997) 8:18
BMW Z8 ( 8/2000) 8:18
Audi RS6 ( 9/2002) 8:20
Mercedes C55 AMG ( 7/2004) 8:22
BMW M3 ( 12/2000) 8:22
BMW M Coupe ( 10/1998) 8:22
Aston Martin DB7 GT ( 7/2003) 8:23
Porsche Carrera 4 ( 2/2001) 8:23
Subaru Impreza WRX STi ( 5/2004) 8:24
Mitsubishi Carisma GT EVO VII (11/2002) 8:25
Callaway C12 Coupe ( 4/1999) 8:25
Audi RS4 ( 10/2000) 8:25
Mitsubishi Carisma GT EVO VI ( 11/1999) 8:25
Nissan 350Z (10/2003) 8:26
BMW M5 ( 3/1999) 8:28
Mercedes CLK 55 AMG ( 5/2000) 8:29
Audi S4 Avant (11/2003) 8:29
Maserati Coup� Cambiocorsa (10/2002) 8:30
Lotus Exige ( 8/2004) 8:32
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG ( 5/2003) 8:32
BMW M Roadster ( 9/1997) 8:32
Porsche Boxster S ( 12/1999) 8:32
Opel Speedster Turbo ( 4/2004) 8:34
BMW Z3 Coup� 3.0i ( 4/2001) 8:34
Brabus-Mercedes C V8 Coup� ( 2/2002) 8:35
Porsche Boxster ( 3/2003) 8:36
BMW M3 SMG ( 3/1997) 8:35
BMW Alpina B3 3.3 ( 7/1999) 8:36
VW Golf R32 ( 2/2003) 8:37
Mercedes C32 AMG ( 9/2001) 8:37
Maserati 3200 GT ( 9/2000) 8:37
Subaru Impreza GT Turbo ( 3/2000) 8:37
Honda NSX ( 8/1997) 8:38
Brabus-Mercedes CLK 5.8 ( 12/1998) 8:38
Mercedes SL500 (12/2001) 8:38
Morgan Aero 8 ( 4/2003) 8:39
Honda S2000 ( 1/2000) 8:39
Chevrolet Corvette ( 7/1997) 8:40
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage ( 9/1999) 8:41
Audi S3 ( 6/1999) 8:41
Audi S4 ( 8/1998) 8:42
Lotus Exige ( 11/2000) 8:42
Honda Civic Type-R (11/2001) 8:47
Renaul Clio Sport V6 ( 7/2001) 8:49
Jaguar XKR Coupe ( 7/1998) 8:49
Audi TT 1.8T quattro ( 11/1998) 8:49
Alpina B10 3.2 ( 4/1998) 8:50
Alfa Romeo 156 GTA ( 6/2002) 8:51
Mercedes Benz C43 AMG ( 3/1998) 8:51
Mercedes CLK 430 ( 9/1998) 8:52
VW Golf GTI ( 1/2002) 8:54
Porsche Boxster ( 4/1997) 8:54
Mini Cooper S Works ( 9/2004) 8:55
AMG-Mercedes SLK-230 Kompressor ( 5/1997) 9:07
VW Golf V6 4motion ( 4/2000) 9:09
REMEMBER: Times are usually stock model from standing start & road tyres used.The 'Ring is the one track where BHP will make a difference.
No contest there
Those N�rburgring figures are from the No.1 german petrolhead carmag, SportAuto
They also give the times for the small circuit (not the full F1 track) at Hockenheim. The is more emphasis on the twisties on this circuit (though in my old N/A Speedster (VX220) I would be all over 911 turbos, etc. till they pulled away again on the main straight).
Hockenheim times:
Exige S1 1min 14.8sec (11/00)
Exige S2 1min 16.5sec (8/04)
911 GT2 (996) 1min 12.6sec (06/01)
911 GT3 (996) 1min 13.2sec (6/03)
911 GT3 (996) 1min 14.9sec (8/99)
911 GT3 CUP (996) with sports tyres 1min 9.1sec (2/99)
911 GT3 RS (996) with sports tyres 1min 11.8sec (3/04)
911 Turbo (993) 1min14.1sec (3/97)
911 Turbo (996) 1min 14.6sec (6/00)
911 Turbo with Works tuning (993) 1min 14.3sec (6/97)
They are close enough for the driver (degree of commitment/riskl) to be a significant factor � that makes it fun at Hockenheim.
The stats for my old Speedster were around 1min 19sec, yet I have taken an Exige S1 and various 911 turbos (no GT2/3s though). I did swap cars with a GT3 996 andclimbing in from the Speedster, the GT3felt big, solid and more like driving my Range Rover 4.6 � the Elise chassis is so much more wieldy.
Last year, in my Speedster, I even got past a gingerly driven Exige S2 with the Bemani 265bhp S/C. As I have one myself now, I am really looking forward to the 2006 season to pick off some Porsche