here is the map with a standard N/A and an S
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MrD06…I answer your questions here and you ask them over and over again on a site I can’t post on…If you want correct answers to the Ronin/Sector 111 kit why go elsewhere ?..I would like to give ou my last star…
that is the map though and Charlie and Neil both post on the forum you cannot post on.
Oh my dog it’s true…great googley moogley Ronin and Sector 111 are sleeping together and have come up with a great supercharger kit for all 2ZZ powered Lotus…
But will it work with the fuel in the UK because I heard it was different ?
Fear not my fine feathered friend, I know the tune will work perfectly, after all the R$D was done by monkeys…This is truly the best solution at 1/3 the compitions price…
Actually I very much doubt it will. Nothing some mapping on UK fuel wouldn’t sort though.
UK/European fuel is different to US, hence why ALL car manufacturers map differently for EUR & US.
But will it work with the fuel in the UK because I heard it was different ?
Fear not my fine feathered friend, I know the tune will work perfectly, after all the R$D was done by monkeys…This is truly the best solution at 1/3 the compitions price…
Actually I very much doubt it will. Nothing some mapping on UK fuel wouldn’t sort though.
UK/European fuel is different to US, hence why ALL car manufacturers map differently for EUR & US.
Oh come on do you think I post “FACTS” because I make them up, if that were the case they wouldn’t be “FACTS”…Fact is Fact…
Fear not my fine feathered friend, I know the tune will work perfectly, after all the R$D was done by monkeys…This is truly the best solution at 1/3 the compitions price…
Actually I very much doubt it will. Nothing some mapping on UK fuel wouldn’t sort though.
UK/European fuel is different to US, hence why ALL car manufacturers map differently for EUR & US.
Oh come on do you think I post “FACTS” because I make them up, if that were the case they wouldn’t be “FACTS”…Fact is Fact…
I know for a FACT ALL OEM’s tune cars for different markets as the fuel is different.
Your FACTS don’t stack up with real FACTS. Have you or anyone tested a car on UK fuel with that set-up, looking at previous posts from Charlie I’m guessing not as he states the 1st car will be here in a month, therefore you have no FACTS on whether this will work perfectly in the UK or Europe, you are just guessing.
I have no interest in this as I don’t have an S2 therefore it’s curiosity only, but you aren’t posting FACTS in this case. As I said a bit of tuning here in Europe and it will be fine, as you seem to like slagging off others, if you want to do that get your facts right.
Actually I very much doubt it will. Nothing some mapping on UK fuel wouldn’t sort though.
UK/European fuel is different to US, hence why ALL car manufacturers map differently for EUR & US.
Oh come on do you think I post “FACTS” because I make them up, if that were the case they wouldn’t be “FACTS”…Fact is Fact…
I know for a FACT ALL OEM’s tune cars for different markets as the fuel is different.
Your FACTS don’t stack up with real FACTS. Have you or anyone tested a car on UK fuel with that set-up, looking at previous posts from Charlie I’m guessing not as he states the 1st car will be here in a month, therefore you have no FACTS on whether this will work perfectly in the UK or Europe, you are just guessing.
I have no interest in this as I don’t have an S2 therefore it’s curiosity only, but you aren’t posting FACTS in this case. As I said a bit of tuning here in Europe and it will be fine, as you seem to like slagging off others, if you want to do that get your facts right.
Simple just ask Lotus and see what they have to say… I know because I have seen all the ECU maps for timing, knock and fuel so Fact is Fact…Please I need my stars back, so if the topic does not concern you move on. I want to twinkle…
I know the base tune is for 91 ron fuel.
I think the ECU still has the learn so the kit prob will work ok but it looks like we are missing out on a real UK tune for 99 ron fuel which is a shame.
I know the base tune is for 91 ron fuel.
I think the ECU still has the learn so the kit prob will work ok but it looks like we are missing out on a real UK tune for 99 ron fuel which is a shame.
That’s the point I am getting at. It isn’t difficult to re-map for UK fuel if you have access to the ECU, it just needs to be done here, which will make it better but to map for US fuel will not release the full potential of what can be achieved.
lets hope wayne at sinclairs flies over Charlie and does a proper UK tune then.
I know the base tune is for 91 ron fuel.
I think the ECU still has the learn so the kit prob will work ok but it looks like we are missing out on a real UK tune for 99 ron fuel which is a shame.
It’s actually base tuned for 94-95 RON fuel.
You guys have to remember that here in North America we have a different way of rating our fuel.
You use the RON (Research Octane Number)
We use RON+MON/2 (Research Octane Number + Motor Octane Number divided by 2)
The RON number is on average 9 points higher than the MON number.
Here’s an example,
UK/Europe RON 99 fuel = to 90 MON add them together and divide by 2 and you get 94.5 (94 which is super unleaded here in the states)
This holds true for the mid grade and regular low grade fuels. The number may be different on your side of the pond but it’s the same go-go juice.
Class dissmissed.
Actually it isn’t.
A 90-91 Octane fuel in the US is approx 95 RON in Europe, so our ‘basic’ fuel nowadays. So any mapping done in the US on 90-91 is only using our regular fuel, and even then it’s approx. There is the opportunity to use 97, or 99 RON fuel here (or even 102 if you feel rich enough) so opening it up to potentially better performance.
Also it depends what it was tuned for in the US, 90 or 91 as this also makes a difference.
As I have said the set-up will work but it could work better if tuned here on our fuel. It was Franks ‘will work perfectly’ comment I disagreed with. There will be a slight difference as there is a slight difference in our basic verses your premium (but similar) fuel which can be mapped for.
If no mapping is done for European cars, in Europe on European fuel then it’s an opportunity missed.
Actually it isn’t.
A 90-91 Octane fuel in the US is approx 95 RON in Europe, so our ‘basic’ fuel nowadays. So any mapping done in the US on 90-91 is only using our regular fuel, and even then it’s approx. There is the opportunity to use 97, or 99 RON fuel here (or even 102 if you feel rich enough) so opening it up to potentially better performance.
Also it depends what it was tuned for in the US, 90 or 91 as this also makes a difference.
As I have said the set-up will work but it could work better if tuned here on our fuel. It was Franks ‘will work perfectly’ comment I disagreed with. There will be a slight difference as there is a slight difference in our basic verses your premium (but similar) fuel which can be mapped for.
If no mapping is done for European cars, in Europe on European fuel then it’s an opportunity missed.
They are “all” tuned for a base of 89oct US…misinformation is all you know…I want my stars back so I’m not going to argue this point
So when are we getting a UK tune then for 99 ron 
Actually it isn’t.
A 90-91 Octane fuel in the US is approx 95 RON in Europe,
Mark,
Did I studder?? Isn’t that fact exactly what I stated in my post?
My point was that fuel in the UK/Europe is no better than the fuel in America. If you are saying that 91 RON is not available in the UK (which would be 87 RON+MON/2), it is available here and must be allowed for in the tune.
You also have to remember that this ECU tune is adaptive to fuel octane. Yes, the timing will be conservative but I think you guys are splitting hairs about what will be only a small difference in performance.
From what I hear, Sector is working on different tunes that will cover higher octane fuels and other mods. Dual map modes have been mentioned in where a toggle of the ignition switch will switch between maps, this is now a reality.
Cheers,
Mike
Actually it isn’t.
A 90-91 Octane fuel in the US is approx 95 RON in Europe,
Mark,
Did I studder?? Isn’t that fact exactly what I stated in my post?
My point was that fuel in the UK/Europe is no better than the fuel in America. If you are saying that 91 RON is not available in the UK (which would be 87 RON+MON/2), it is available here and must be allowed for in the tune.
You also have to remember that this ECU tune is adaptive to fuel octane. Yes, the timing will be conservative but I think you guys are splitting hairs about what will be only a small difference in performance.
From what I hear, Sector is working on different tunes that will cover higher octane fuels and other mods. Dual map modes have been mentioned in where a toggle of the ignition switch will switch between maps, this is now a reality.
Cheers,
Mike
Yeah what he said
Actually it isn’t.
A 90-91 Octane fuel in the US is approx 95 RON in Europe,
Mark,
Did I studder?? Isn’t that fact exactly what I stated in my post?
My point was that fuel in the UK/Europe is no better than the fuel in America. If you are saying that 91 RON is not available in the UK (which would be 87 RON+MON/2), it is available here and must be allowed for in the tune.
You also have to remember that this ECU tune is adaptive to fuel octane. Yes, the timing will be conservative but I think you guys are splitting hairs about what will be only a small difference in performance.
From what I hear, Sector is working on different tunes that will cover higher octane fuels and other mods. Dual map modes have been mentioned in where a toggle of the ignition switch will switch between maps, this is now a reality.
Cheers,
Mike
Mike, you seemed to be comparing it to 99RON fuel, but I’ve probably misunderstood the way you’ve laid out your post.
If the max normally available fuel in the US is 91 then at 95RON it’s quite a bit below the levels we can get in the UK.
Also if the mapping was done for 89 as Frank says then that’s based around a fuel we don’t have in the UK as our minimum is 95RON. No issue as that’s what you have in the US and as such needs to be allowed for, no-one is disputing or saying that is wrong.
This is where the whole thing trips up.
A map for the equivalent of 91RON isn’t making the most of 95RON fuel, no matter what level of adaptive system is in the ECU, and will certainly not make best use of the 97, 99 & 102RON fuels available in the UK and the rest of Europe.
If Sector111 are planning to map for these higher rated fuels then that’s fine, they will make the most of it, which was effectively the question being asked, the std ‘perfect Frank tune’ needs modding to make the most of whats available in the UK and europe.
Even though you don’t have a 2ZZ you should read up in regards to the maping of the ECU and it’s very active knock sensor…
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Mike, you seemed to be comparing it to 99RON fuel, but I’ve probably misunderstood the way you’ve laid out your post.
If the max normally available fuel in the US is 91 then at 95RON it’s quite a bit below the levels we can get in the UK.Also if the mapping was done for 89 as Frank says then that’s based around a fuel we don’t have in the UK as our minimum is 95RON. No issue as that’s what you have in the US and as such needs to be allowed for, no-one is disputing or saying that is wrong.
This is where the whole thing trips up.
A map for the equivalent of 91RON isn’t making the most of 95RON fuel, no matter what level of adaptive system is in the ECU, and will certainly not make best use of the 97, 99 & 102RON fuels available in the UK and the rest of Europe.If Sector111 are planning to map for these higher rated fuels then that’s fine, they will make the most of it, which was effectively the question being asked, the std ‘perfect Frank tune’ needs modding to make the most of whats available in the UK and europe.
Mark,
100 R+M/2 octane(probably 104 RON) Sunoco gas is available and will probably be used by track enthusiasts only since the price is steep (actually it’s still cheap to you, maybe 3.50 quid per gallon)
Maybe you guys could request that Sector do a 100 octane tune, that should work out fine for your Optimax 99.
Whats the cam change over point on the Sector kit ?
I know it can change, but on full bore whats the lowest it will change over ?
cheers