Just my 2p, going off what sean suggested but taken a stage further, why couldnt the program from a charge cooled car (but with everything else the same as boothys) be used and just let the ecu adjust for the temperature or is the difference just too much? I do appreciate that the full bhp figure quoted would be produced for long due to the increased heat sink effect but surely it would still give the best bhp for the setup?
Gav
I’m not saying change to a charge cooler. I agree with you, they are great when they get good flow. I’m just talking about rolling road situations.
Gav, a CC car’s map shouldn’t be different at all to an IC cars map, so yes they would be interchangeable.
Yeah engines going pop on dyno’s is pretty full on. I have seen two cossie YB motors explode. Well one threw a rod and the other had the turbo let go!
[quote=ade]Boothy
I am going to try to have a chat to Dan about this, I think Sean’s idea is a really good one, as I posted before I think Sincs can do this but they are certainly nervous of stuff failing and getting a bad rep. A lot of tuners will just do what they are told by customer without a thought and broken engines happen, these don’t really show up as so many people tune all the other types of ECU’s, as Sincs are the only real tuners for the Lotus ECU breaking a car would cause them huge commercial damage as the community is so close and the internet is evil. [/quote]
Hi Ade, I could not agree more. The last thing I would want is my engine cooking or Sincs to get a bad reputation but I know I have a pretty good cooling set up and to have it dismissed is frustrating obviously.
I think that Seans idea is a good one, other than that how does the komotec cooling jacket work? Does it actually pump water through the fins of the intercooler or literally just around it like a jacket? if the latter could a soft water jacket not be used and wrapped around the intercooler whilst on the dyno and have tap water constantly running through it?
As for having set maps I dont understand why Sincs dont have set maps for certain mods but they seem to want to custom map every car. I asked about this as I knew a guy who had a TRD and 2bular GT3 had his car mapped but I was told every car had to be a custom map.
I know Charlie sells a 2bular manifold and system map in the states.
cheers
Boothy
Will Lotus Motorsport not do the map?
What I mean is, after doing all the work first?
[quote=jonnyfox]Will Lotus Motorsport not do the map?
What I mean is, after doing all the work first?
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Probably … but then you’ll be into serious money and could have used the money on a well sorted ultima !!
Why can’t Sincs (or anyone else for that matter) do exchange ECU’s , injectors etc. in various states of tune…"Caveat emptoir " of course…
EG …
240
275
300
???
would’nt that be nice , and I,m sure they’d fly off the shelves !!
If I was getting the car tuned to those top end numbers then I’d far rather have a custom map and know that it was safe. You don’t see many of the honda boys running around on base maps, unless they are followed by a cloud of unburnt fuel.
The cost of a custom map realy is small when you compare it to all the other money people spend, a degree of sense must prevail, I will try to talk to Dan next time I’m there on a Saturday he is in (face to face is better than the phone) I might try to get an exception for you, before I had the CC done one place who did a power run for me added an extra fan on the roof, you might try to make a box up with some fans that fits in the slot and suckers to the windscreen
I agree a custom map is a good idea but its not always practical for people to get there. Seeing as they offer a set map in the gotham having set maps for say an airbox and backbox or full 2bular system must be pretty easy and so long as they are not pushing the boundries with those maps must be pretty safe?
I’m not saying full fat 300bhp map here and I guess the person buying could sign a disclamer to say they have the mods they are buying a map for.
Get stuck into Dan 
A guy on Lotus talk running the RLS IC and full 2bular system + TRD got 265rwhp with a CharlieX custom tune, even allowing for a few horses jumping ship on the way over here those are pretty impressive figures and much higher than the 230rwhp max quoted by sincs for an air cooled car.
cheers
Boothy
What size pulley do yoyu want to run? I would think a 3.1 would be sensible?
My mate has the standard pully and still got 250 at the wheels, do you think I would need to change it? I’m not really looking for more than that unless I could get away with it.
cheers
Boothy
Blimey 250 from a standard pulley I am impressed, but I suppose with the exhaust and everything done it is possible. Unless you are going to change the pulley I now can see no reason wht sincs won’t do a map for you. Just get the gotham with a custom map for your exhaust etc, I see no reason why Dan won’t give you all the power he can, as you have the better IC you will also keep it longer on track as well. Just ask for a custom map when having the gotham done
They will do a custom map but have said that 230rwhp is the max they can get on air to air (even upgraded) which clearly cannot be the case. I would like to go the gotham route as I can do it modular but I dont want to commit to that route only to find I cannot get the most from my car.
I would be better to do it in one and go komotec.
will Komotec tune it for the IC and get more than 230rwhp? Or just sell you a kit? The kit route was all they used to offer
They will just sell me a complete kit.
So just as costly as getting the CC from Proalloy then? But with a compromised CC or have they changed the design?
I have to say the Pro Alloy charge cooler is very very good. They also have a nice way of fitting three rads in the front (water, charger cooler and air con).
Quite alot more expensive to go the sincs route:-
Komotec 280s �4699 inc
Komotec 300s �4995 inc
Sincs route
Proalloy CC fitted �2500
2bular manifold �735
2bular sports cat �460
fitting exhaust?? say �200
uprated fuel pump �400 ish fitted
Gotham tune �1200
Gotham tune fitting �200
Custom map �200
TRD airbox �150
total �6045 250rwhp so 280 ish bhp then smaller pully plus fitting for 300ish
As I say sincs route is good as can be modular but as I have spent on the forge already after looking at Charlie’s results in the states I kinda resent having to be pushed down another path.
Boothy
Put an Audi in it
Boothy
not wanting to rain on the Komotec parade but, I know what I had to do to get around 300hp, and you will not get it without a decent manifold and a smaller pulley.the absolute most you will see is 265ish based on 12% losses, the konotec CC is worse that yours as it is a water jacket around a bad Lotus IC.
What you really want is midrange torque to be fast not peak HP anyway, wait till the 30th and then make a more informed decision?
Also you could always fit some of the bits yourself as you seem handy with a spanner, or getting it all done at once should work out cheaper, If you get the Sincs setup IMHO you will get the best solution that also gives you a path for more upgrades.
Ta