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OK… was having a discussion with Scuffers about something else and he commented on this…

"what a load of crock, so this is why the video from the day shows him being passed litterally dozzens of times during the day…

he was quick comapred to the others, but still slow compared to me/randy/christin (quo)/Mike lane

trick gearbox/etc etc did not help his case, I would estimate we were putting 5+ sec’s a lap on him as we were passing him every 12-15 laps


all my love to everyone, Simon (S)*"


I wasn’t there, so can’t comment. Just relaying info.


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That’s Scruffman inventing stuff.

I was there, and I came up to Sean and Randy as they were on their way to the pits, so didn’t have a good comparison point. Can only imagine that they lost a few 1/10 wehn dicing, or that they took at least 1/2 cooling lap.

But I was fairly quick as well.
And I NEVER found Scruffman, Mike Lane, Randy or Sean on track either by passing them or them overtaking me. So, if we beieve that Randy and Sean were faster than me, it cannot be possible that Scruff overtook Sean, as Randy says Scruff couldn’t overtake him.
If any of this had happened, Scruff would have overtaken me as well. But no.

Once I saw Scruff on his SC Honda as I was coming onto a certain part of the circuit, and he was exactly in the same position on an opposite part of the circuit. For about 4 laps.
I tried to up my pace and I got the impression that for two laps I was getting tenths closer, but then he dissapeared (pulled in).
The SC Honda was not faster than the ones mentioned here.

Scruff can say all he wants on Seloc, he seems to have a captive audience there.
But don’t take all he says as gospel.

If he insists on overtaking everybody and their nanny, please prove their point by submitting clips showing when him or others overtook Sean and me.
I have the video as well, and have heard comments by the guy who filmed them.

To me, the SC Honda was a great dissappointment. I went there expecting to be overtaken easily by him.
Not at all!

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Dug up from my hard drive. Any questions? Gearbox as well.

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Nobody is hiding… Don’t think we could be anymore transparent. Hell I even emailed you pic’s of the damage to my engine! You need to turn that statement around, since it’s you we have all been waiting for!

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Dug up from my hard drive. Any questions? Gearbox as well.

Ian…

NO way i want to pick a fight with you on this… but you have got to be kidding…

I have a set of bathroom scales not unlike the ones used and depending on how I stand on them I can lose a few kilos without doing anything about my eating habits…

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You can’t do that with Elises Simon… the weights are VERY different from car to car.

Incidentally, I’ve got 120kg down as the weight of a K20A from a friend who weighed it before dumping it in a Mini.

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Before I start, I have the upmost respect for Randy, I would class us as friends and we have spoken in PM’s on here numerous times. At no point have I ever slagged him or anyone else, or there cars, or there driving or there engines off!!

OK the storey from Croft as I saw it was this.

I met Randy on track once and luckily neither of us had a passanger. He followed me for probably 4 laps and he was all over the back of me. I knew he was on slicks and that he is a quicker driver than me with a more powerful engine, so I moved over and let him past, thinking I would have a lap or two to follow him and hopefully learn something before he disapeared into the distance.

But in reality (and I am sure Randy will back me up here) we were very equally matched and I stayed within a couple of car lengths for the 6 or so laps we diced until Randy pulled into the pits.

We all know it is easier to follow than to lead and my gearbox makes a huge difference. It can change gear faster than any gearbox I have ever used and the ratios are very very close. It will do 60mph in 1st gear, but hits the limiter in 6th at just 146mph. Which basically means I am always in the right gear and the engine is always on the boil. I noticed I was quicker out of some of the slower corners than Randy due to me being able to keep the car on the boil with a more suitable ratio. Out of the final hairpin I was dropping down to 1st gear and nailing it out of the bend and remember as its a dog box I don’t have to use the clutch or anything. Randy and I both said that our cars were equal up to about 100ish mph when his extra umph got the better of me.

The suprise for me (and Randy I think) ws that I managed to hang onto him with slicks on and I was only on 48’s. I have to say though at some points I was an accident waiting to happen and I have probably never driven the car as hard before or since.

As fas as Simon and the Supercharged S2 he was driving was concerned, well he and Christian (the other SC car) were the only cars that overtook me all day. And I don’t mind admitting that on the main straight where Simon and Christian came past, they really did just fly past me, It was absolutly no contest what so ever, very fast cars indeed. But then lets not forget they have over 300BHP, so I would have been shocked if they hadn’t come past with such gusto.

As far as Mike Lane goes I past him twice when I think he must have been on slowing down laps, but again we never came up against each other at full speed. I didn’t come across Uldis either I don’t think, but then who knows Silver is such a common colour!!! ;o)

For those that don’t know my car is a standard VHPD, with Jenveys, QED air box, Emerald and Eliseparts full exhaust system and silenced decat pipe. Rolling Roaded on Dave Walkers rollers at 206BHP. Since the rollers, the airbox was fitted (just bare trumpets on the rollers) and I had put a slightly more restrictive decat pipe in due to failing a noise test at Donnington some weeks before. Other than that the car has the 46mm Ohlins and the geo is done by Plans.

So thinking about it if Randy and I both had 200BHP and well setup cars. But he had slicks and himself driving, then I reckon the gearbox is 100% what kept me on his bumper. What else could it have been??

Everyone should buy a Quaife sequential, they totally ROCK!!!

I can’t wait until my new engine goes in!! More power and the gearbox. Maybe then I will keep up with Lord Scuffers!! ;o) (Joke, before anybody starts, I don’t know Simon so am not going to comment, plus I know how the typed word on BB’s can be taken completly out of context)

Sean…

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I understand Mike had Toyos on for much of the day. My std 190 was catching him under braking and through the bend (although that could be down to the driver of course ).

Ian

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Guys, is this line of debate not totally pointless?

Let me give an example:-

At Croft, I did not “come up against” Uldis, Randy, Scuffers or Sean when I was in the Exige. If I had, I suspect they would all have “whupped my ass” and that would have pointed (in the context of this conversation) to my car not being very quick. Or was it that I am not as good a driver as the aforementioned?

OK, lets say that my car is race prepped, it has 220 bhp, proper dampers, brakes etc. etc., so it must have been the driver, decision made.

BUT, weeks later on a rolling road, it is discovered that my ECU has detected a fault in a sensor and restricted the iVTEC and revs - i.e. “limp home mode”.

So, is the decision now reversed? Am I now a top driver, is the car the fastest out there?

My point is that there are so many variables on any given day, but the main one is the driver, so you have to remove that variable before meaningful results can be given. And even then, the cars have to be on song - I did not even realise mine was “off song” until the rr session. So if you want to compare engine to engine you have to remove all the other variables as well - type of gearbox, brakes , suspension, blah blah blah.

How difficult is it going to be to settle this when (to get a meaningful result), you have to get the same driver driving the same spec car but with different engines?

I don’t bloody know.

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Russ, I’ll drive 'em all, honestly I know how much of a horrible chore it’ll be but I’m willing to sacrifice that part of my soul to just do this task

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Form an orderley queue…

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OK, I better say a few things� I would completely agree with Russ�s comments about the cars/drivers but ought to comment seeing as everyone else has.


Firstly, driving a Group-C car doesn�t actually make you a brilliant driver, we have plenty of drivers on the Group-C grid who the likes of Russ, Sean, Simon, Uldis would beat in equivalent cars. It�s an amateur race series like any other, there are some quick guys at the front and plenty of slow ones at the back, only difference is that we sometimes get to race wheel to wheel with guys like Win Percy and Andy Wallace who you can learn from.

I went out for some pax laps with Uldis (thanks for driving well�I�m a terrible passenger but managed to avoid crawling under the dash board!) so experienced his car from the inside only. Well impressed with the Kumho tyres, I was expecting them to be PITA but they gripped well and were very progressive. His engine is a definite improvement over a standard VHPD and was noticeably stronger and smoother, I doubt that it would give much of an improvement in lap times over a standard one but would certainly make the car more pleasant to drive. I wouldn�t swap it for my Honda which IMHO has a better spread of power, sounds better and will drive like a shopping car if you want it to. Uldis - It would be interesting to know your thoughts on the different engines as my opinion will obviously be biased 

Spent plenty of time on track with Simon and also did a few laps in the supercharged car myself. I would be very surprised if Uldis could hang on to it, it�s a very quick car indeed and Simon, having raced Elises successfully for 6-7 years, knows how to pedal it very very well. It handled like an absolute pig though as zero setup work has been done on it and I could show it a clean pair of heals when my tyres were first on early in the afternoon(although they had already done 6 hours of racing� good work Avon).

Sean was definitely the quickest of the K-series boys and knows how to pedal a motor car. I came up behind him and I was actually about to come in but when he didn�t immediately pull over I though we ought to have a play . I clearly had an advantage in the last � of the longer straights and through the fast corners at the back of the track (tyres), through the slow/medium speed stuff there wasn�t much in it. If it were a test day or race I could have overtaken up the inside at the end of the straight within � a lap but he clearly had other ideas. The only place I could have legitimately got past him was out of Sunny but I didn�t have enough on him to carry me past. My subjective opinion is that his sequential box gives him more speed on a track than Uldis�s extra power does� Over a lap I�m guessing I would have been 3 or 4 secs a lap quicker? Other thing I noticed is that his car was very stable so his Ohlins must be doing a good job.

Mike Lane�s car is bloody quick in a straight line, definitely a match for the SC Honda. When I saw him on track he didn�t seem to be pushing it all that hard but I can�t blame him after some of the luck (and bills!) he has had with the car. Nice of him to be courteous and let me by, if he hadn�t his turbo power would happily have kept him in front.

I also noticed that IDG was going very well�

Forgot to mention - my car is a standard UK spec engine with a CAT and massive exhaust back box to meet noise regs, NOT a JDM or anything special.

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Just to reinforce the driver ability thing some more (it doesn’t need it but it’s a chance to big myself up ), at Brands GP I ended up having to get past a 360 CS along the Cooper straight and take the inside up Serties…

…Now I’m no driving god by far! But I’m 100% certain a 360 CS is quicker than a 190 VHPD’d exige on Toyo Proxies T1-S’s right?

In the wise words of Yoda “You must learn control young Skywalker” Power is nothing without control.

Personally, before even looking at my engine (as long as it holds together), I’d want some more driver upgrades, and 100% need better suspension!

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I wouldn’t describe 3-4 secs a lap as being in the same ballpark personally. That said, lap times never been a consideration for my Exige, I have a race car (or should I say hand grenade ) to do that with, so drivability and reliability are important for me. Unless the different induction you have planned for Uldis’s car make a very significant difference his engine is not going to compete with a Honda on this front. For him this is no issue whatsoever as he wants different things from his car than me. Horses for courses.

My engine hasn’t been on the dyno so don’t know the exact figures. There are RR graphs on SELOC somewhere fo the MSC demo car which shares the same exhaust, induction and map but they are RR figures as opposed to properly calibrated dyno figures. Most people on here know my opinions on RR’s by now, fine for tuning lower power N/A cars but not the tool for arriving at definative power figures (which don’t tell you much anyway).

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I have tested extensively with both slicks, Dunlop and Avon, and 48’s on Elises. I can tell you for an absolute fact that there is no way 6 secs difference Maybe 1.5 to 2 secs when the slicks are brand new but after 6 hours of running the super super soft Avons we use have slowed down measurably. By the end of the day at Croft the slicks I was running would have been no quicker than 48’s but they would have been quicker earlier in the day.

Lets look at times. At snett Lanzante did a 1.16 I think in George Mackintosh’s car on 48’s. Now, in the last Brit GT race there barrie/gav were doing mid 1.13’s in the race on slicks. Do you recon that dean would really be going 3 secs quicker than barrie/gav considering at Donington he was 2 secs off Barrie’s pace in the same car. Also you need to consider that Barrie’s car is by far the quickest Elise ever built.

Also on 38’s at Snett (the front were 5-years old) I was doing low 18’s but last time there I did a 15.4 on slicks. But… when we were running on the 38’s the car had single way nitrons valved for half the spring rate we were running so handled like a sack of [censored]. The car itself is at least 1 sec, probably 2 faster than it was previously.

This says it all.