New, beltless Honda K20/K24 dry sump system/group buy‏

Well done Jamie for persevering and bringing such a specialised bit of kit to market.

Given the volume of K20 used in motorsport applications it may do well and you’ll always know that you made that happen! Well some bud :sunglasses:

Cheers Ben.

I just wish I’d personally invested in the project as I also think it’ll do pretty well and have put a fair bit of effort into it, with no financial benefits. I’ve already got around 25 orders for them without really trying. i.e, no proper marketing etc. I think that once there are a few out there working, they’ll take off in quite a big way, especially in the USA. We’ll see.

yea they really should bonus you a pair

Sorry for the long gap between updates about the integrated Honda K20/K24 dry sump system, but here’s the latest info:-

Continued performance development over the testing period has enabled several small but effective changes to be introduced. Now, only one final production specification validation test stands before the full production release of the product. With Exon Race Engines dyno booked for the end of next week, systems should be available to buy very soon indeed.

So, last weekend another day of dyno testing was carried out and all is looking extremely good with the system. The engine was run hard for most of the day and we were able to collect some very good data. In short however, the system exceeded expectations. Also present was a very nice power gain!!! All data will be made available in due course.

Here are a couple of pictures and I’ll also try and upload a little video clip in due course. In the pictures you will also notice the new oil chain tensioner arrangement.

I’ll shortly try and get in touch with everyone who has put their name down for the group buy so far, but if anyone else is interested please get in contact asap.
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Great stuff Jamie.
Is there an initial run planned or are they made to order?

The initial production run will be for those taking part in the group buy, plus however many AT Power want for stock I suppose. I still haven’t been told what the proper, non-group buy price will be yet but it’ll be interesting to find out. Are you still up for chucking one on your car?

Yes :slight_smile:

And finally we’re done!!!

After months and months of design work and testing, we are now very pleased to say that the AT Power Honda K20/K24 beltless dry sump system is ready to go into production.

Those of you who have been following our progress will know about the concept in some detail and will have seen many pictures of the system design process, through to the finished assembly. But just to briefly recap, the basic design concept that we started out with over a year and a half ago is now almost unrecognizable, with the system having evolved further and further over the drawing phase and then the development period to incorporate many little performance and construction improvements. This has left us with a system that is far beyond our original expectations and something of which we are all very proud. - Pump and scavenge stages are internally driven with no external, exposed drive system. It’s only 96mm in depth (1/3 less than an OEM pan), lightweight, fits within the silhouette of an OEM sump pan and is very flexible and well designed in terms of oil line positioning. Oil in can come from any angle and oil out can be either inlet or exhaust side. Provision for Turbo/supercharger oil drain has also been incorporated.

So what’s been going on recently? Well, in addition to controlled bench testing at AT Powers HQ on their custom made simulation rig, engine dyno testing has also been carried out at Exon Race Engines, with the help of Matthew Bentley Racing and also Romain Levesque. Paul Exon has almost 30 years of engine design and building experience. Matthew Bentley is a professional race mechanic and ran our Time Attack Lotus in 2013. And Romain is a very experienced and highly regarded UK based engine calibrator specializing in Honda engines. So, taking on board everyone’s thoughts over the testing phase, many alterations have been made by AT Power engineer Steve How (Ex Lotus) in various areas to improve performance and we are now very happy with the end results. Even since final testing, further improvements to the system packaging have been made, along with subtle internal adjustments to release yet more performance gains.

Full dimensional data, help with system fitment and PRV setup instruction are available directly from AT Power, along with data from both dyno testing and also bench testing. With regards performance however, suffice to say the system holds good consistent vacuum, but more importantly, produces consistent and good quality oil pressure without cavitation. And a small perk from the way the system works is that we were able to achieve a good 15-20 bhp gain from our standard, unmodified test engine and even more with a race header. Once the first batch of kits is ready to go, we hope to have a couple of units fitted to cars soon after in order to gather yet more data. One being a K20 and the other being a K24.

AT Power themselves are now ready to take orders for the previously arranged pre-production group buy @ £1,750 plus vat & shipping (and any extras) which many of you have shown great interest in over the last few months.

This is to be done directly with Andy, MD of AT Power. I urge you to get in touch with him in the next few days or as soon as possible to secure your kit at this great price which basically equates to a 25% discount over the proposed retail price of £2,299 plus vat. (This price is only possible with a minimum of 10x orders and production at this price will only start once at least 10x orders have been taken) The AT Power kit will not include any tanks or lines as this is a very personal choice and will differ from car to car. However, please ensure that you use good quality components throughout. This means pipework and fittings that are made for the job and that can handle vibration, heat, pressure and vacuum. Also, a properly designed oil tank is of upmost importance as this will be key to your system functioning properly. i.e, it must be properly shaped and baffled, of a generous size and if possible with around 1/3 of the tank allocated for air space. (AT Power can supply the oil tank if required).

PLACING ORDERS:-

Regarding placing orders, firstly, please don’t ask things such as, ‘can the VAT be removed if paying cash’, or ‘can the shipment be marked down as a lower value, so as to avoid paying as much tax’ etc, as requests like this won’t even be considered.

So, please email Andy here:- [email protected] with your order, stating how and when you are going to pay. Please also include full contact and delivery details. Please also state whether you will need any particular fittings for your system depending on how you are planning to plumb up your system. AT Power will be able to advise on options. Also, please state what engine the system will be used on, because if using this system on a K24 engine, you will potentially require a couple of other small parts which AT Power hope to be able to supply in due course. (includes block-off bolts, chains etc)

Please either copy me into the order email to Andy here:- [email protected] or send me an email telling me you have done so. This is very important as it allows me to see if all of the interested parties have received my email and who exactly is taking part in the group buy

Some further information for you which was accurate at the time of writing this email:- (AT Power will not be held responsible for fluctuations in these prices as it may be out of their control)

Shipping box (not including any additional items) around 9kg:

Shipping costs:-

UK £30 includes Insurance +VAT

USA £60 includes Insurance, no VAT on sales to USA

Australia £75 includes Insurance, no VAT on sales to Australia

New Zealand £90 includes Insurance, no VAT on sales to New Zealand

For Import duty information please go to www.dutycalculator.com for any Country

Invoice payment methods:-

Bank Transfer- Customer to pay their own charges

Paypal- fee of 5% to be added to invoice

Credit cards-fee of 1.88% to be added to invoice (for security reasons, can only ship to Card statement address)

AT Power would ask for 50% deposit when placing an order and final payment on completion and before shipment of goods.

AT Power work under a standard UK 1 year warranty and would service systems, replace or supply spare parts if required.

(Warranty voided if kit found to be fitted incorrectly, dismantled or used with poor quality parts not supplied by AT Power)

I hope that this covers everything, but please don’t hesitate to get in contact with AT Power (with me copied in) if I have left anything out or if you have any questions.

Regards,

Jamie Willson

Hello again everyone,


As a follow-up to my previous email, I’m just getting in touch to warn you all that the deadline for the group-buy has been set for the end of this week, i.e the 5th June.


So, anyone who would like a system @ £1,750 plus vat needs to email Andy here:- [email protected] a soon as possible to place their order. After this point the price will be up to the full RRP of £2,299 plus vat.


I have spoken to many people about the system over the development period, who had expressed serious interest with the intention to purchase a system. Many of those have not replied to my original email, so please be aware of the deadline!!!


Thanks,


Jamie