My "S" and the quest for more power

Kev

I believe that to be correct their dyno runs are whp and they are estimating the loses to give a flywheel power of 265hp hnce the name.
Whatever I do next I’m sure will need new injectors as UK cars run 330cc injectors and US cars are 430cc or 440cc.

Looking interesting and I do like Proalloy stuff, (I have one of their intercooler, rad and turbo cooler on my Cossie).

Injectors are going to be expensive I guess, plus the $2k ecu, charge cooler cost is taking it into the realms of a Komo-tec kit of course, but it does look like you will achieve a similar gain if not more.

For now the only real ECU upgrade is from Sector 111, done by Charlie…Once the injectors are upgraded to 430cc and the throttle body opening 100% the car will smoke a Komo-tec setup or any BS/Bemani… This is what the car should have had in the beginning …

If that’s the case Frank I will be joining the queue and following Adrian.

Kev

I believe that to be correct their dyno runs are whp and they are estimating the loses to give a flywheel power of 265hp hnce the name.
Whatever I do next I’m sure will need new injectors as UK cars run 330cc injectors and US cars are 430cc or 440cc.

Looking interesting and I do like Proalloy stuff, (I have one of their intercooler, rad and turbo cooler on my Cossie).

Injectors are going to be expensive I guess, plus the $2k ecu, charge cooler cost is taking it into the realms of a Komo-tec kit of course, but it does look like you will achieve a similar gain if not more.

I suspect the final price won’t be far different from the Komo-tec solution. But I had issues with the way they have done their upgrade, so I looked else where for a good solution. This I why I am now where I am. I hope that Wayne at Proalloy will post the pictures of the front rad etc as this is a nice piece of engineering as well.
Just to make a point included in the charge cooler kit is as new water rad and the chargecooler rad is pretty much the same size as the main coolant rad

Ronin: Can you post the same picture here you posted on Seloc of your rad etc?

Kev

I believe that to be correct their dyno runs are whp and they are estimating the loses to give a flywheel power of 265hp hnce the name.
Whatever I do next I’m sure will need new injectors as UK cars run 330cc injectors and US cars are 430cc or 440cc.

Looking interesting and I do like Proalloy stuff, (I have one of their intercooler, rad and turbo cooler on my Cossie).

Injectors are going to be expensive I guess, plus the $2k ecu, charge cooler cost is taking it into the realms of a Komo-tec kit of course, but it does look like you will achieve a similar gain if not more.

I suspect the final price won’t be far different from the Komo-tec solution. But I had issues with the way they have done their upgrade, so I looked else where for a good solution. This I why I am now where I am. I hope that Wayne at Proalloy will post the pictures of the front rad etc as this is a nice piece of engineering as well.
Just to make a point included in the charge cooler kit is as new water rad and the chargecooler rad is pretty much the same size as the main coolant rad

I’m sure the Proalloy stuff is top quality. As I said my Cossie has the full works and this is known to be just about the best kit for the Cossie. Mine has been on the rolling road twice and produced 538 and 527 bhp at the flywheel by the way. My charge temps on the track rarely go above 400 deg C and this is only an air to air cooler.

Looking interesting and I do like Proalloy stuff, (I have one of their intercooler, rad and turbo cooler on my Cossie).

Injectors are going to be expensive I guess, plus the $2k ecu, charge cooler cost is taking it into the realms of a Komo-tec kit of course, but it does look like you will achieve a similar gain if not more.

I suspect the final price won’t be far different from the Komo-tec solution. But I had issues with the way they have done their upgrade, so I looked else where for a good solution. This I why I am now where I am. I hope that Wayne at Proalloy will post the pictures of the front rad etc as this is a nice piece of engineering as well.
Just to make a point included in the charge cooler kit is as new water rad and the chargecooler rad is pretty much the same size as the main coolant rad

I’m sure the Proalloy stuff is top quality. As I said my Cossie has the full works and this is known to be just about the best kit for the Cossie. Mine has been on the rolling road twice and produced 538 and 527 bhp at the flywheel by the way. My charge temps on the track rarely go above 400 deg C and this is only an air to air cooler.

Kev… 400 deg.c is a tad high I would suspect!

I suspect the final price won’t be far different from the Komo-tec solution. But I had issues with the way they have done their upgrade, so I looked else where for a good solution. This I why I am now where I am. I hope that Wayne at Proalloy will post the pictures of the front rad etc as this is a nice piece of engineering as well.
Just to make a point included in the charge cooler kit is as new water rad and the chargecooler rad is pretty much the same size as the main coolant rad

I’m sure the Proalloy stuff is top quality. As I said my Cossie has the full works and this is known to be just about the best kit for the Cossie. Mine has been on the rolling road twice and produced 538 and 527 bhp at the flywheel by the way. My charge temps on the track rarely go above 400 deg C and this is only an air to air cooler.

Kev… 400 deg.c is a tad high I would suspect!

Whoops, 40 deg C I meant, and this is working hard on track. I do have a water injection system too which kicking in at 1 bar boost and 45 deg C, so doesn’t come on much

Well here goes trying to post the dynos

[image]http://www.thenortystep.co.uk/adrian/before.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www.thenortystep.co.uk/adrian/after.jpg[/image]

Sorry the quality is not good they are scans of photo copies

I’m not sure why the first one is so wobbly both were done by the same guy just different days. I can’t actually comment too much as i was not there for either, thanks again to Wayne at Sinclaire for organising these

Adrian,

Whereabouts in the UK are you. I’d love to have a look at your installation if that’s OK sometime.

Cheers

Existing/potential upgraders

Just wondering what sort of use your cars have had, prior to the upgrades, & your plans for the future.

TBH I really struggle to see how you could possibly use, any model of Exige, anywhere near its potential on the road. If it’s for track driving, there are various other more beneficial stages to go through, before needing to increase the power “to be quicker” around the circuit.

This post meant to be provocative, but in a nice way, honest

Kev

I am down south in Essex, where are you?

Mr Pesky

I started my Elise ownership with a standard S1 added LSS and driver training, then to a S1 Sport190 (always loved the ability to overtake Exiges driven by similar drivers)
Then I moved to a Golf R32 as I needed to go down to one car for a while, now the S I have already got Nitrons and an adjustable roll bar as it was like a boat to my 190 next was trying to make the lardy thing perform as well as the 190, albeit I do love the aircon and electric windows they do kill the performance. After the ECU changes it will be what I want and wished it had been when I bought it.
I do try to do half a dozen track days a year but work does tend to get in the way and aim to do more this year when the car is where I want it

Ade - good man

So have you driven your Exige S on track (which tracks & before & after Nitrons/rollbar)?

Before

Rockingham, Donnington and Bedford

After

Bruntingthorpe (The day after)

Not had time to do any since

Now Peskey don’t be that way…next thing Ade will be asking about wider wheels and the muppets will be out in force talkin shite… Ade keep up the good fight…Why on earth would you want a car that is equal to your skills, how freakin boring that would be… you want a car that is better than you are a driver…When you’re done with your mods all the other guys will be playing catch up in the real world…

I know my car is so much better than I am on the track but I do know it is the best car out on the track and the fastest in the right hands and that’s a cool thing… After all like 99.9999999% of the guys out trackin their cars “you’re not gettin paid and you’re not gettin laid” when your session is done…

A better car makes you a better driver not the other way around…

You got what you wanted Peskey

…Why on earth would you want a car that is equal to your skills, how freakin boring that would be… you want a car that is better than you are a driver…

My point exactly - your car was more capable than you, even before you started tinkering with it (grab a passenger ride with Gav Kershaw, or Matt Becker from the factory for proof!)*


I know my car is so much better than I am on the track but I do know it is the best car out on the track and the fastest in the right hands and that’s a cool thing…

Depends upon your perception of cool, & how much time you spend leaning against a bar, with a glass of whatever in your hand


A better car makes you a better driver not the other way around…

That’s rubbish! Good example (keeping it Lotus based) being Neil McKean in the 2007 LOT Race Series. However, I’m hoping to be proved wrong after I get my car back with s/c installed



You got what you wanted Peskey

Apart from having my name spelt correctly


*This was particularly true in my case, although I have improved a bit with instruction & practice over the past 6 years.

Once you’ve exceeded the limits of the car, if you’re lucky the only worry will be a ride home…

Or should I say a better car makes you a " Winning driver" as it would have been in GT3 this year no matter who the hell is drivin…or maybe even a placing driver or at best a finishing driver…

In Spelling I stand corrected “Pesky” my bad…

The whole idea is to have fun and be cool at the bar holding “her” as she buys you a drink

Kev

I am down south in Essex, where are you?

Mr Pesky

I started my Elise ownership with a standard S1 added LSS and driver training, then to a S1 Sport190 (always loved the ability to overtake Exiges driven by similar drivers)
Then I moved to a Golf R32 as I needed to go down to one car for a while, now the S I have already got Nitrons and an adjustable roll bar as it was like a boat to my 190 next was trying to make the lardy thing perform as well as the 190, albeit I do love the aircon and electric windows they do kill the performance. After the ECU changes it will be what I want and wished it had been when I bought it.
I do try to do half a dozen track days a year but work does tend to get in the way and aim to do more this year when the car is where I want it

Adrian,

I’m in Derbyshire, but if you are going on any meets then let me know. I slso work alot in London. Keep me posted on the Gotham. I’m sure you will.My next upgrade is probably going to be exhaust, so interested in your 2bular or maybe go the Larini route.

Mr Pesky et al,

As for upgrades. Can you ever have enogh power. Personally I like modding for modding sake and rarely keep a car standard. I’ve spent around �25k upgrading my Cossie, and it’s now got way too much power and scares me silly on the road. Yes, more than my ability can handle but you never stop learning this way. This is why I only really use it on track. It probably wouldn’t be any quicker on track with 100 bhp less, in fact I know it wouldn’t, as I’ve run it with the boost controller right down, but it’s much more challenging and scary on full boost.

Because the straights are boring we feel the need to go faster to get them over and done with quicker?

Also I suppose it depends what you use the car for I suppose going for a more trackday setup in terms of low suspension and weightsaving can make it less fun on the road. If you were using it everyday this would be where you had most of your fun. Increasing the power has no real downsides on the road as you can hardly spank it legally as it is.

Thanks for the replies, lads (& Frank)

Hey I had to…mod the crap out of it as long as it’s for go … and then paint it a fookin cool orange…

… and then paint it a fookin cool orange…

Now you’re talking sense!