Mapping session 2 today

Frank, there is a young lad in his 20’s called Ryan Griffiths who I would love you to meet.

Maybe we can arrange it for when you are over here.

[quote=661]John, you might recall that following the previous thread on the same I was at the vinegar strokes, well…
When do you want a ‘deposit’.
Would need the traction stuff working though.

How far away is the Audi box?? (Spa mid-march??). Does it have it’s own cooler? [/quote]

I remember! Think I said too much onfo at the time to a similar statement!! :smiley:

Sean has explained about the TC and how we plan to go about it above, so hopefully thats sorted.

In terms of timescales, I need to take a brave pill and order the appropriate amount of looms, get them made, delivered, sit in customs, etc, then add a TC connector for pre TC cars. So deposit not required until I have something to sell!! We also need to work out a minimum requirement for your car to run on the rollers once, rather than multiple times, so correct spec of injectors, pump, etc, etc.

In terms of the gearbox, that is a while away!! I admit we’re not the quickest at developing stuff, with all the other work in the background, customers cars, funky projets, racing, etc. But its normally worth the wait :slight_smile: In terms of cooler for the Audi box, we hadn’t needed one on the Audi conversions, and only ever saw temps up to mid 90’s when racing with more power and track days with even more, but spinning them slower, so thats a question to be answered when in.

[quote=Greg_]Frank, there is a young lad in his 20’s called Ryan Griffiths who I would love you to meet.

Maybe we can arrange it for when you are over here. [/quote]
Sorry but I’m married and prefer women a little older… :whistle:

Hey you guys can do what ever you like since i’m done and I enjoy watchin guys play catch up and not takin advantage of proven R$D…

Hell this stuff is 5yrs old and a rehash but go ahead since it’s new to you… :whistle:

[quote=frank][quote=Greg_]Frank, there is a young lad in his 20’s called Ryan Griffiths who I would love you to meet.

Maybe we can arrange it for when you are over here. [/quote]
Sorry but I’m married and prefer women a little older… :whistle: [/quote]

haha, I wasn’t expecting you to fuck him, just have a conversation with him about engine mapping! :wink:

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Although I’m not sure thats quite what Greg meant! He’s the guy doing the mapping on the Syvecs ECU.

[quote=frank]Hey you guys can do what ever you like since i’m done and I enjoy watchin guys play catch up and not takin advantage of proven R$D…

Hell this stuff is 5yrs old and a rehash but go ahead since it’s new to you… :whistle: [/quote]

Hey Frank, you know you’ll never be done with your car, I’ve heard you say that so many times. Theres always a new widget around the corner that you’ll get hold of, add in and get your kicks from making it work how you want.

You’ve already stated that you’re interested in Adams guys not anti lag system.

[quote=SeanB] Dave, get off the phone!!!

Unless you are ordering our injectors that is!!

:wink: [/quote]
Yes boss - grovel grovel was talking injectors and Lambda sensors. back to work now oh and injectors in progress
Please dont beat me boss… :cry:

[quote=TarmacTerrorist]I bet a pound to a penny it is the knock sensor causing the problem…

Have you got uprated engine mounts by chance?

I had the same thing last year on my 111R, it was 20hp (and a shit load of torque) down on what it should be. No fault codes showing, engine seemingly revving through the entire range no problems. Its just when it came to the time sheets rather than being within the top 4 I usually am, I was 4th from the back!!!

Turned out the extra vibrations/resonance from the engine with uprated mounts had caused the O2 scalers/knock sensor to go hay-wire and the ECU drops power. We simply swapped ECU’s like for like and the problem was solved.

Only solution once it has happened is to have the ECU reflashed (it cant/wont reset itself once it goes out of sync) and then reposition the knock sensor somewhere off the engine to stop it happening again.

This can also effect the s/c cars, I wouldnt mind betting there are a lot of cars out there suffering this problem and dont even know it, the only way you really find out is when your on the dyno… [/quote]

Thats interesting, so is it a problem with the knowck sensor then? When my car was on the dyno with other 260 cars it was the lowest by a good chunk and was only about 226 at the wheels. I do have uprated engine mounts too.
Will I need a new knock sensor as well as a flash?

Andy

Yeah I know I just like pushing buttons to make ya think out loud, there are too many guys that just read these forums and then go off to buy the next gizzmo to find out it didn’t do anything in the real world…

As for any anti-lag big turbo setup I’m still waitin since 1985 when a old friend patented the variable veined turbine housing…It still has bugs

[quote=Boothy][quote=TarmacTerrorist]I bet a pound to a penny it is the knock sensor causing the problem…

Have you got uprated engine mounts by chance?

I had the same thing last year on my 111R, it was 20hp (and a shit load of torque) down on what it should be. No fault codes showing, engine seemingly revving through the entire range no problems. Its just when it came to the time sheets rather than being within the top 4 I usually am, I was 4th from the back!!!

Turned out the extra vibrations/resonance from the engine with uprated mounts had caused the O2 scalers/knock sensor to go hay-wire and the ECU drops power. We simply swapped ECU’s like for like and the problem was solved.

Only solution once it has happened is to have the ECU reflashed (it cant/wont reset itself once it goes out of sync) and then reposition the knock sensor somewhere off the engine to stop it happening again.

This can also effect the s/c cars, I wouldnt mind betting there are a lot of cars out there suffering this problem and dont even know it, the only way you really find out is when your on the dyno… [/quote]

Thats interesting, so is it a problem with the knowck sensor then? When my car was on the dyno with other 260 cars it was the lowest by a good chunk and was only about 226 at the wheels. I do have uprated engine mounts too.
Will I need a new knock sensor as well as a flash?

Andy [/quote]

There are a few possible reasons such as compression and valve adjustment that can effect dyno readings…I’ve never heard os knock corection staying in effect.

Just had a call with Ryan who’s currently driving, he’s going to reply either tonight or tomorrow depending on traffic and when he gets home, to the questions asked.

He asked asked me to clear a couple of things up in the meantime.

When he was doing the base map, there was no deliberate wait around to let things cool down to get good figures, simply a power run, adjust the ecu, then power run. He said there were 58 runs to achieve the base map, which I was not there for, on top of those done with Seans car when it was down the first time, and then more to finalise the map on Seans car with the different spec. This included deliberatly allowing the inlet charge temps to increase to ensure proper control and failsafes.

The injector duty cycle thing has been cleared up, injectors on order and will be fitted. I had worded it poorly.

The final bit is that there currently is no definative solution as we need to all be happy that the kit of parts we put together, including the ecu and base map, is as complete as we can make it, and the ecu works as well as we know it can.

[quote=JDS]
The final bit is that there currently is no definative solution as we need to all be happy that the kit of parts we put together, including the ecu and base map, is as complete as we can make it, and the ecu works as well as we know it can. [/quote]

The final bit of what John??? Even I have no clue what you are going on about here?? Explain yourself man!!! :wink:

Sod off!!! :smiley:

Final bit that needed to be said, that we hadn’t explained well. Or rather I hadn’t!!

Cool it you two, otherwise Garthwaite will never finish his bloody car! :smiley:

Copied from his own website:

[color:#000099]To speed up the process of driving a Lotus on track, Dave has purchased a 2005 Elise that will be used as a testbed/developement car for many of the products currently available from Seriously Lotus and many new products that are currently in the pipeline.

Look out for Dave and his Elise during 2011 at many of the UK circuit track days. As the car is readied we will add further details here!!!
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The final bit has to be to get a bloody Audi box in or else there’s gonna be a lot of lame cars !!
Mine,s only 3 miles away for you to experiment on … hint hint !!
:wink:

Fair enough. Could easily end up being a non starter if it doesn’t fit in the hole, but will bear it in mind. Worse case is that you have the gearbox out for the other options.

It will fit and since guys are putting Audi lumps in all you need is the bell housing cltuch to deal with…You have two mounts to work on and ta da…

Why do things take so long in the UK ?

Great !! next week then

Ex77

[quote=frank]It will fit and
Why do things take so long in the UK ? [/quote]
This is why we,re importing you into Britain in April uncle Sam :wink: