Help please.

I’m thinking of letting 3 (very responsible & well regarded) of my mates borrow my SUV, whilst I sit at my desk trying to make my next �M. They will be fully qualified & insured to drive the vehicle, which itself is, of course, properly taxed & road legal.

What would happen if the vehicle is clocked doing 40mph in a 30mph area, & if the camera evidence didn’t clearly show who was driving the vehicle at that precise moment in time?

Furthermore, none of my 3 mates are then man enough to own up to comitting the alledged offence (because they genuinely couldn’t remember who was at the wheel), & that despite me pointing out that, as the registered keeper, I was under a legal obligation to identify the driver.

Thank fook this is only a hypothetical question.

You’re right, you do need help !

You’re right, you do need help !

Do you know a good “listening” lawyer?

[censored] me you’re a [censored] stirrer. Keep up the good work.

What would happen to my 3 mates

I’m sure we could find a “home” for them …

hypothetical obviously. You even got 3 mates?

hypothetical obviously. You even got 3 mates?

Yep, but they wouldn’t admit to it, even to a barrister

as amusing as the post is, you are under no such legal obligation to identify the driver… what you are obligated to do is co-operate fully to attempt idenitifcation, provide all known information that may assist in this process, and answer truthfully when questioned about the matter.

the law does NOT obligate record keeping by the registered vehicle owner, and until this is changed then the loophole that everyone will continue to use is the indentification issue

the system relies on the fact that 95% of people fold, admit it was them, and ‘take it on the chin’

it is a very flawed system…

and as for “not being man enough to own up” well thats another point entirely, but in a nutshell if “being man enough” involves not standing up for your right to be innocent until PROVEN guilty i.e. no obligation to implicate yourself then you can be all the man you want to be thanks…

under the current law Pesky’s obligation in this hypothetical situation ends at providing the names and addresses for the 3 drivers, nothing more

lets be clear on that point

Pesky… You have 3 mates?

Well, he did say it was a hypothetical question

Pesky… You have 3 mates?

See reply above

Well, he did say it was a hypothetical question

Only because I don’t have an SUV

it depends if you are a lier and a cheat

or can spell

I cannot spell

PMSL at Pesky

PMSL at Pesky

That’s the spirit, cheers Con

LOL

but also weep.


Surely you must realise that as a guy who actually goes out and creates wealth you are first in line for a fisting?

As the easiest person to prosecute and the most likely to pay a significant fine rather than have 25p a week knocked off your dole (which costs �20 a week to collect) thats automatically makes you guilty.

The solution is to hand over your bank details with the evil SUV so they can just deduct at source when ever the needs arises.

Aye Johnboy, that’s really the point I was trying (rather badly, I admit) to make in the “other” thread.

As easy targets (motorists), we should join together, as responsible people, & fight for sensible, rational, enforcable, & above all, fair laws. Individual “victories” on technical points may benefit the individual, but not necessarily the majority. The “Nick Freeman type of case” (where the guilty get off on a technicality) provides pressure groups with loads of ammunition, which they use to coerce our politicians into not only tightening, but also expanding the scope of the law! The weak minded politicians, unsurprisingly, rather like doing this - it increases their power/importance, & with the perceived full backing of the masses.

The biggest problem, as I see it, is that the vast majority (myself included) have little faith in the integrity of our politicians ie our law makers. As a result, the “I’m alright Jack” mentality filters down from the very top of our society, & affects us all, & the way we behave. After watching the excellent “Dispatches” programme on TV tonight, my opinion of politicians has fallen even further.

Anyway, enough of that serious stuff, I’m off to me pit to sleep (snore) off the rather nice bottle of Bordeaux I appear to have glugged all by myself tonight