Gearbox temperature testing

We have also been doing some gearbox temperature testing over the last month or so.

We all know about the problems with S2 gearboxes and we have chatted to a fair few gearbox people about this in order to try and nail down what the problem is. The conclusion we all came to was excessive temperature in the gearbox resulting in thermal expansion of the casing which in turn looses all of the internal tolerances and things start to get all wibberly (that’s a technical term).

This problem is also present in the Rover PG1 gearbox. A good friend and fellow racer David Harvey has extensively tested his gearboxes including warming them up in an oven and measuring this expansion and contraction. His results were quite eye opening.

I had noticed in my S2 that after 3 back to back laps at the Nurburgring (the first track day i did in the car), the change started to get a bit sloppy and not as nice as when the gearbox was cool.

We had already designed a gearbox cooler system for Ade’s car and we always had the idea to refine it and make it a proper kit, but we wanted to do some testing first.

So we fitted my car with a gearbox temperature gauge and started driving. On normal road driving there is no problem at all, the oil temperature never went over 78 degrees C.

On track however it was a different story. After about 10 minutes on track the temperature was 110 and still rising!

We switched the cooler on and after about a lap the temp was down in the mid 90’s.

We did another track session with the cooler on all the time and the temperature never went over 90.

More to the point the quality of the gear change stayed constant with no woolyness at all.

In our chats with some gearbox oil experts (and we have spoken to a few of those as well) it seems that the standard very low quality oil that Lotus put in from the factory actually turns corrosive at 100 degrees and will literally start eating the synchro’s!!!

A good quality gear oil will handle the temperatures no problem, but of course from the conversations we have had it is thermal expansion of the gearbox that is the killer here and keeping the oil temperature under control will help reduce this.

I dont want this to be a blatant sales focused post, I wanted to pass on the information we have found, but we have now enhanced and finished the kit and they will be available soon.

Excellent news, I knew it was worth doing, when I put a laser temp probe on my gearbox at one trackday we saw temperatures of 140+ degrees on the casing :astonished: before the cooler was fitted.

I had an gearbox cooler also fitted last year.

When the G box thermostat kicks in it is reasuring to hear the noise of the oil pump but would be better to have a gauge also.

Ex77

My oil despite being only 2 years old was very oxodised when I drained it the other day to put some redline in …
I could be persuaded to fit a cooler …

[quote=jfk]My oil despite being only 2 years old was very oxodised when I drained it the other day to put some redline in …
I could be persuaded to fit a cooler … [/quote]

Let me try to persuade you…Go on, you know you want to!! Go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on!! :smiley:

More details and a pic of the kit can be found here.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lotus-Elise-Exige-S2-gearbox-gear-box-oil-cooler-kit-/290600562474?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43a924af2a#ht_1112wt_1025

[quote=SeanB]More details and a pic of the kit can be found here.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lotus-Elise-Exige-S2-gearbox-gear-box-oil-cooler-kit-/290600562474?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43a924af2a#ht_1112wt_1025 [/quote]

That looks nice Sean. Mine’s just an oil pump, thermostat and a regular oil cooler rad in front of the Downpipes.

It’s fed with cool air from the Naca duct in the floor.

Ex77

It’s not the heat that kills the gearbox it’s the fact that it was designed for a 160 whp fwd setup…

Come on guys why buy into this BS… are you guys sheep ?

I’ve killed three C60 gearboxes and not one was due to a missed shift or heat…

What’s your $1,000 USD remedy then, Frank?

[quote=SeanB]More details and a pic of the kit can be found here.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lotus-Elise-Exige-S2-gearbox-gear-box-oil-cooler-kit-/290600562474?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43a924af2a#ht_1112wt_1025 [/quote]

Almost identical to mine with a different wiring set up, looks very good.

[quote=frank]It’s not the heat that kills the gearbox it’s the fact that it was designed for a 160 whp fwd setup…

Come on guys why buy into this BS… are you guys sheep ?

I’ve killed three C60 gearboxes and not one was due to a missed shift or heat… [/quote]

But Frank it is both that cause the problem, on the road it is just plain HP that breaks the gears on the track both heat and power is the enemy, with 300hp and 4k miles on track my gearbox is just fine with the combination jubu gears and oil cooler, it is not just you that does R&D you know :wink:

I think we would all have �18k Hewland indestructible sequentials if we had the dough Frank. What we are trying to do is make the best of the standard box. Nothing of what we have stated is Bullshit either. We have done our homework and testing before we post this stuff up, because we know there are people like you out there that will read and comment.

I can see that this post will probably turn to dust , so if anyone wants to chat about it some more drop me a PM or give us a call.

I’m sure the interested parties will, I have over the time I’ve had mine in had quite a few inquiries as to who did it and how much :slight_smile:

You can’t stop the shaft flex and gears made of cheese from breaking… I know guys with coolers and broken gearboxes.

Now what ever happened with that Audi gearbox swap ?
Have fun…

Well Frank you enjoy the tallest gear ratios known to man :wink:
Sadly they are just not suitable for a ~300hp track car.
If I do break the gearbox again I suspect I will be asking JSR to do the Audi conversion, however I suspect I won’t have to go there :wink:

Interesting to see what EP’s honda box swap is like. Audi box is a MONSTER, and the K20 box seems to put up with the JRSC CC cars fine.

Looks like the Honda conversion is probably dead, the drive shaft hit non standard (2bular etc) manifolds :frowning:

One detail John has asked me to add. The ebay price is more than if you just phone and buy from JSR. The inflated e-nay price is to cover e-bay / paypal fees and stuff.

The call up JSR and buy it direct from us price is: �705 inc vat

Fitting is 5 hours at �45 per hour + gearbox oil + vat

[quote=ade]Well Frank you enjoy the tallest gear ratios known to man :wink:
Sadly they are just not suitable for a ~300hp track car.
If I do break the gearbox again I suspect I will be asking JSR to do the Audi conversion, however I suspect I won’t have to go there :wink: [/quote]
Seriously Ade, how many hard track miles do you put on your car a season, do you drive it that hard on the streets over rough surfaces in the summer heat of a desert with 115*f ambient temps ?

Jubu gears break as much as the stock gears here in the US…

2-3k miles per year on track plus another 4-5k on the road I don’t tend to push it on the road though as we don’t have the cayons like you do :frowning: