no i think the k series is only a stopgap however they will still use it as a domestic 1.4
but the engine they intend to use will be a good modern replacement imo Passionate about Progress | PETRONAS Global >
Yes, the Pertonas engine looks interesting as well. Although with a bore of 89mm, I wonder how compact it will be. Weight is listed as 108.9kg, so not too heavy, although it obviously depends on how it is measured. The 89mm bore (1.8-2.2L) would give Lotus some room to have more powerful models without the need to use a supercharger.
And Pesky - it may not surprise you, I am really not worried if you take me seriously or not - personally I never thought you would -
Nope, no surprise there!
However, I hope you will remember that my beef has always been with the manner in which the debate has been conducted - I’m not at all competent to judge the technical rights or wrongs of different aspects of engine building - for me, the end result (& if it suits my *driving purposes)is the important bit. To date, you have been unable (or unwilling) to substantiate your claims, which started way back in mid 2004. Meanwhile, I’ve driven the most enjoyable 30K Honda’d miles, out of the total of 68K miles I’ve covered in my Exige. Since 2004, we’ve seen just one of your engines in the Mid Engined or LOT race series. Will there be any more in 2008?
To be fair, Pesky has a valid point. I am one such person who is/was looking to find a replacement for the VHPD currently in my car (it’s getting tired at 35k as pretty much everyone would agree)
What are my REAL choices at this current point ? -
a VHPD refresh with perhaps an emerald ?
an Audi conversion
a Honda conversion
a DVA improved K series
an Erland K series
So for me, the choice has to be made.
Which of the above has proven results ?
Which has the backup available ?
Which am I not completely reliant on one person ?
Which offers good reliability ?
Although I have not been in ‘the scene’ for too long, the answers present themselves eventually.
you really do sound just like scuffham’s mouthpiece you know?
Well, he has taken to wearing aviators and lending him parts.
Seriously though, Simon, with that last comment you really are now sounding like a complete and utter nincompoop!
Usually I would say that there is no such thing as bad publicity, and I think you have read that book too, but in this case I think you have alienated so many people - as has DVA - that you have lost more support than gained.
Personally I would never fit another British Leyland version of the K series in my car. In fact I would be pissed off if I found one.
I think it would be useful to know a little of yourself Taxi, as your first & few subsequent posts in the good ship exiges.com it aimed directly into the heart of the wasps nest that lives on this site.
Your posts are certainly well mannered, polite & without emotion, but arriving at this site & opening the ‘K Vs whatever’ debate makes me a tad suspicious of your intentions.
Let us know if you have a Exige, or any ‘K series’ Lotus or K engined car for that matter, & why you chose to join exiges.com. Thanks.
no i think the k series is only a stopgap however they will still use it as a domestic 1.4
but the engine they intend to use will be a good modern replacement imo Passionate about Progress | PETRONAS Global >
Nanjing has plans to start MG production in the UK as well as import cars to the UK. All MGs will have K series engines, 1.4Ls and 1.8Ls
Combined Shanghai and Nanjing K production is projected to top 2 million a year, so there are going to be a few around…
the original claim - achieved with Uldis’s engine - 221bhp and 158.8lbft with just a properly tolerenced and rebuiltVHPD engine - no new parts, none of my parts - , still running without any issue - for 3 years.
you really do sound just like scuffham’s mouthpiece you know?
Simon
IIRC there is some doubt as to the actual performance figures of Uldis’s engine, but for the purpose of this thread, that’s by the by. How much would an equivalent rebuild cost an arms length punter these days, assuming they are moving from a stock VHPD & Lotus ECU?
Regrettably, Uldis has been very quiet on here for quite some time, so we’ve no idea what sort of use his car has experienced over the past 3 years eg mileage/trackdays etc.
So, where are the remaining 11 1.8 engines in Lotus cars? (16 total less 3 non Lotus less Sean + Uldis)? Are they in the UK, as the owners are remarkably quiet? Surely, there are enough out there now to back up your claims? Are you expecting there to be any in the 2008 LOT race series?
As for mouthpieces, I am only my own, but I do know many others think the same! All I want to see is the evidence for your claims (surely not unreasonable?), & the only reason for that is that after 3 years of listening to you criticising others’ products, you really should now be man enough to put your money where your mouth is vis a vis the dyno figures & costs. The claim for “reliability” will only judged once known engines are out in the open, & ideally competing in the LOT series.
Strange to say Russ, your attitude doesn’t worry me either - especially after asking me to source all those American articles, have them copied and send them to you, for which you couldn’t even manage a thankyou.
Nicely deflected!
If you ever write a book about bullshit, can I be the publisher?
I think it would be useful to know a little of yourself Taxi, as your first & few subsequent posts in the good ship exiges.com it aimed directly into the heart of the wasps nest that lives on this site.
It was not intended as such, I can’t help it if grown up people fancy discussing something over and over. I posted on Exiges.com because my question about the feasibility of a Chinese (2L) K-series was mostly likely to find a sensible answer here with knowledgeable people like Dave Andrews and Simon Erland. That’s what I’m after and that’s why I requested to stay on topic.
Your posts are certainly well mannered, polite & without emotion, but arriving at this site & opening the ‘K Vs whatever’ debate makes me a tad suspicious of your intentions.
That’s why I didn’t open the “K vs. whatever” debate, unfortunately others did. If you read my first post my technical question was solely directed at the K-series. So although I do find it interesting to compare possible future engines for the Elise/Exige (made post about it on SELOC) and reckon it should be possible to discuss it in a useful manner, I deliberately refrained from doing so.
Let us know if you have a Exige, or any ‘K series’ Lotus or K engined car for that matter, & why you chose to join exiges.com. Thanks.
I do not own an Exige, unfortunately don’t have the budget for it (buying a 2nd hand Elise is on my future list). I just have a weak spot for Lotus cars and especially the Elise, which still is way ahead of it’s time in my view. I’m just not happy with the continuous weight increases, I would rather have a 200bhp, 750kg Elise than a 220bhp, 900kg one. I’m just trying to find out if a Chinese K-series might be an option to see that happen, from a technical as well as a production point of view.
Don’t take it to heart, Taxi, you’ll always get a proper reply here on techie matters - if someone knows the answer
With regards to your original question - only the Chinese will be able to possibly answer it - everything else will be mere conjecture, as you appear to agree with in the following extract from your post, on Seloc, of 18th October (ie before you started this thread on exiges.com):
[color:“blue”]Had hoped to spark a sensible discussion, but guess it pretty hard to have a meaningful discussion with so little information being publicly available.
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PS It’s an interesting thread on Seloc, & you certainly enjoy in depth research - nice one