I just don’t get the GTR personally - very competent no doubt with all driver aids switched on - many other cars above it on my ‘wish’ list.
Exact polar opposite to an Exige though.
RWD vs AWD
Turbo vs NA or SC
Front Engine vs mid engine
Auto vs manual
Lots of gadgets vs zero gadgets
Heavy vs light
etc etc
I don’t like them one bit anymore and I can’t quite work out what the car is for.
It’s too dull on track and too expensive to run. It’s also too fast and too big as a road car to enjoy.
So it’s not for me 
[quote=MarkyB]Exact polar opposite to an Exige though.
RWD vs AWD
Turbo vs NA or SC
Front Engine vs mid engine
Auto vs manual
Lots of gadgets vs zero gadgets
Heavy vs light
etc etc
I don’t like them one bit anymore and I can’t quite work out what the car is for.
It’s too dull on track and too expensive to run. It’s also too fast and too big as a road car to enjoy.
So it’s not for me [/quote]
So you’ll not be buying one then !!! 
Funnily enought I had a depsit on a Black edition when they were first released. Then all the crap from Nissan about warranty, track use, servicing costs and other such issues cropped up. So I bailed. And while I liked driving it (soooo fast) and have been a life long GTR fan, I just don’t even bat an eyelid at an R35 now! I’m just really put off by it.
[quote=MarkyB]
It’s too dull on track [/quote]
Really ? Have you driven one on track ?
After some tuition on how to get the best out of one on circuit I found it pretty exciting. Yes, a different beast to an Exige, but in it’s own right it’s great fun.
As for warranty issues etc, yes there was some uncertainty but I’m sure it’s been cleared up now.
I’ve driven one hard on the road before I had my name down for one, and passengered twice on track, once at Spa.
I’ve come from a long line of Evo / Imprezas so I am very much pro AWD and gadgets, and while the GTR does allow you some fun with the rear, it’s just not a car you feel like you are being tested by. Sounds a little dull too. I have never been in anything that fast, and my neck did hurt afterwards So it is impressive just not for me compared to an Exige.
But it is no way a track suitable car imo.
Two laps at spa and having to do a cooldown lap to protect the transmission isn’t fun!
I find it strange writing the above as this was a dream car for me, I am just put off by the reality 
I’ve been tempted to sell the CLS 55 for a GTR but the fact remains I can cruise with four adults at stupid speeds in the CLS all the while in complete comfort, if I want to go really fast I’ll just take out the Exige…
But if I could have only one car…hummm Porsche Turbo…
[quote=frank]I’ve been tempted to sell the CLS 55 for a GTR but the fact remains I can cruise with four adults at stupid speeds in the CLS all the while in complete comfort, if I want to go really fast I’ll just take out the Exige…
But if I could have only one car…hummm Porsche Turbo… [/quote]
I just don’t get it. Why the Turbo? I test drove and I’ve almost brought one (and a GTR for that matter) but for normal everyday driving a polished V8 is where it’s at for me…Merc, M3, RS, and so on or a C2S not V8 I know but everyday driving or B roads it was fantastic. I can see still the written off GTR at Spa in my head…not for me.
My main issue with cars like the GTR on track is not knowing where the driver aids start, and the driving talent stops, and when the limit of the driver aid is found, there’s nothing the driver can do other than hold on and have a big Off
I was at Snetterton in the dry a couple of years with my girlfriend doing a formula woman training day and there was a trackday going on at the same time, a guy put his girlfriends Evo in the barrier in a very strange place miles off the track and wrote it off 
I think this was a result of the driver aid talent mix being a little off
What I love about driving a Lotus on track is I’m driving and anything the car does is as a result of my inputs
We saw a GTR same thing I think at Spa…Write off in the most unusual place
A few years ago I was talkin with Hans Stuck at a IMSA GTO race about racin a 4 wheel drive car at its limits and he said to me that there are no repaired Quattros on the road, when they have an off, they are all totaled… At the time I had a Quattro Sport and RS200 E… I never felt secure after that conversation.
Sure things have changed since the 90’s but the facts remain if you corner faster you will crash harder… Once a 4wd losses traction you are screwed…
Porsche Turbo is a perfect DD here in So.Cal. if you have only one car and not to bad in the hills if you pay attention…
Obsession with power to the exclusion of anything else.Dont get it!
Unless you’re already a driving god I think all that electronics and trickery is the equivalent of trying to learn to sing with one of those auto-tune jobbies permanently on.
For the car my Missus drives the kids around in then yeah bring on all the computers you can to keep everyone safe. For my fun track car I want to know that good or bad (mostly bad) its all down to me.
Interestingly, last year I overheard a conversation at Donny between mechanic and the driver of an F430 in GT Cup. It was a bit damp and the driver was saying that he turned off TC, but after coming down Craner’s once he put it back on again as it was too scary with it off. Could not help but think…
I had a 360 and it was lethal with the TC switched off on anything but a smooth, bone dry warm road
Tried it once and never touched it again. The new 458 is even worse with the TC switched off
Anyone remember when the Eurofighter was launched ???
The said it was designed to be unstable and unflyable with the computers switched off - open door to Pete the pilot
A320 into the trees at the air-show in France-electronics are good but can be lethal!The problem is that tyres only have so much grip and electronics cover-up the messages until its too late.Come-on,Simon,you agree don’t you?
This Airbus accident was solely caused because the pilots did not understand the flight control ‘logic’ and what mode the aircraft went into during a very low and slow flypast. Anything with a human ‘interface’ that is run by computers needs the human to have a complete understanding of what the computers are doing and what will happen if they are ‘removed’ from the interface.
As far as the Eurofighter is concerned, the aircraft is ‘unstable’ and this allows it to be very agile… a bit like trying to balance a plate on the tip of a pencil… it will change direction VERY easily which is what you need in a fighter aircraft! And yes, It IS totally uncontrolable if the computers fail as no human reaction is rapid enough to keep it the ‘right way up’!!! 
Perhaps we should stop selling Fezzas etc with a bunch of gizmos to help those who buy them keep them pointed in the right direction! Thats what I love about the Lotus… it’s just all about the peep behind the wheel! 
My point exactly.A traction control light flashing doesn’t tell you the grip level.
But it does tell the driver to back off, after that it’s driver error when shit happens.
I think the opposite happens-the average joe will press on with the light flashing thinking its all sorted until its too late-not Lotus drivers of course!!