Cornering Force - Front / Rear blade arbs

Thought I best start a thread on this�

I�ve never been very happy with the standard Nitrons, far to crashy on the road and yet still a good element of roll on track. After seeing the results that Cornering Force had produced with bespoke front / rear blade arbs for the vx220 I decided to give Cornering Force a call to see what they could do for my Exige. The data logging they had done on track with the vx220�s is exceptional to say the least - Spitfire Blade Arb + Suspension Setup - Tuning & Modifications - VX220 Owners Club),

I went and met Simon at Cornering Force to discuss what I wanted - I was keen to get a car that performs well over our fine Yorkshire roads, but with a few tweaks is then ready to hit the track. Simon explained that they achieved this track/road balance on the vx220 by running softer springs, but using custom valving and front and rear blade arbs to control the roll. The benefit of the blade arbs is that it can be adjusted with a quick turn of the spanner, or even be adapted to be adjusted actually inside the car! The idea is for the car to be track ready with some turns on the valving, and a quick adjustment of the arbs.

So I agreed to Cornering Force have the car for a week to dyno my Nitrons, review the cornerweights of the car (Exige came in at 928kg in total) and compare with the data taken from the vx220s and measure up for the rear arbs. Simon then gave ma call to review the findings�. The standard current springs although the balance is correct, are quite stiffly sprung (425/550) and the valving can be improved upon quite a bit. Now Simon did explain to me the valving and how they calculate kinematic roll and ride frequencies � very interesting if you are a geek like me! Simon had calculated with stiffer blade arbs and custom valving that 300/450 springs would be ideal. To give you an idea of arb stiffness, it was suggested the front blade arb will be over 3x stiffer than the standard arb!!

So I picked up the car last Friday from Cornering force with the custom valving, custom springs and refreshed Nitrons. For each damper, Simon given me the dyno graph with the suggested track and road settings. Interestingly the settings for each damper are different � No two damper is exactly the same, which is why it takes a damper dyno to accurately setup the Nitrons. The finished blade arbs unfortunately won�t be ready for about a another week, so the full handling package isn�t complete yet but the ride quality will not alter. The ride quality so far is very good, and noticeably much more grip on the country road. Its bit like been sat on cushion in comparison to the previous setup. Interestingly, even with the softer springs, there doesn�t seem to be any more roll with the new dampening � Although I�m not suppose to push it until the blade arbs are fitted lol.

So far very impressed - Looking forward to the end result!

Cool Man, keep us informed!!!

Very interesting :wink:

This is interesting stuff - be very interested to see some decent photos of the ARB design, and to see how it affects performance on the track. Please keep us informed!

I can’t tell you how frustrated I have been with Nitron when I have been trying to get information out of them regarding the best setup for Track etc. As we have been running the S2 in Time Attack, even with standard R888’s and standard ride height, I have been experiencing a lot of rub on the headlights (under both hard cornering and even braking) - we have stiffened up the ARB and increased the damping considerably, whilst also running the Nitron ‘Track spec’ springs - at standard ride heights we still get ridiculous amounts of rub on the headlights (which you can’t get move/get rid of without a lot of modification), which causes bad understeer for obvious reasons.

I approached Nitron, and they offered me some bump stops FOC, but I wanted stiffer springs so I could run the car lower, and this would also alleviate the issues under braking. They flatly refused to exchange the springs that they had recommended to me for something stiffer, and I got very close to sending them back demanding a refund on the basis that they are simply unfit for purpose.

To sum up my rant, had we been planning to run the car again next year I would definitely look at approaching these guys as from your post they seem to know what they are talking about and offer a comprehensive sevice. As it happens we will be running the Ultima in Britcar, and the Westfield in a few championships, so the Exige will be retired to road use only.

As I said at the start of this post (read ‘rant’), please keep us up to date as it will be very interesting to see the results.

Jonny

Hi Jonny out of interest what spring rates are you running?

[quote=jonamacg83]This is interesting stuff - be very interested to see some decent photos of the ARB design, and to see how it affects performance on the track. Please keep us informed!

I can’t tell you how frustrated I have been with Nitron when I have been trying to get information out of them regarding the best setup for Track etc. As we have been running the S2 in Time Attack, even with standard R888’s and standard ride height, I have been experiencing a lot of rub on the headlights (under both hard cornering and even braking) - we have stiffened up the ARB and increased the damping considerably, whilst also running the Nitron ‘Track spec’ springs - at standard ride heights we still get ridiculous amounts of rub on the headlights (which you can’t get move/get rid of without a lot of modification), which causes bad understeer for obvious reasons.

I approached Nitron, and they offered me some bump stops FOC, but I wanted stiffer springs so I could run the car lower, and this would also alleviate the issues under braking. They flatly refused to exchange the springs that they had recommended to me for something stiffer, and I got very close to sending them back demanding a refund on the basis that they are simply unfit for purpose.

To sum up my rant, had we been planning to run the car again next year I would definitely look at approaching these guys as from your post they seem to know what they are talking about and offer a comprehensive sevice. As it happens we will be running the Ultima in Britcar, and the Westfield in a few championships, so the Exige will be retired to road use only.

As I said at the start of this post (read ‘rant’), please keep us up to date as it will be very interesting to see the results.

Jonny[/quote]

some pics of the bar are below fitted to a vx220. The front arb is identical, and the rear one is the same albeit slighly different end brackets compared to the vx220 in order to fit.

http://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/92121-cornering-force-front-and-rear-blade-blade-antirollbars/page__p__1053432__hl__cornering+force__fromsearch__1#entry1053432

Suspenion setup for race cars is what Cornering Force do. They can caluclate the role angle of the car, and taylor the arbs / nitron to suit individual requirements/needs. They will come to trackday/event to make sure their setup is right and even allow you to use nearby private track as a testing session.

Simon is very helpful, worth getting in touch with even if its just for friendly advice - http://www.corneringforce.com/

Sounds good, it will be interesting to see what the affect of the rear ARB will be.

I guess the advantage of a company like Cornering Force over Nitron is they are selling a service not a product.

Im sure Russell Treasure used to run a rear arb on his race exige before he did the lotus cup? etc. I remember chatting to him and from memory he prefered having the set up with the rear arb that also allowed softer springs, I think.

Gav

Wow - very smart and nicely engineered looking bit of kit indeed. Droplinks look suspiciously similar to the ones I had made - which we were meant to start selling earlier in the year but got side tracked onto other things.

OrangeD - I am running the ‘race’ kit - which is 550F and 700R IIRC.

Jonny

Crickey that’s still fairly stiff supprising your having thexproblems you are :frowning:

Indeed. Its surprisingly manageable on the road though; a bit ‘crashy’ over the rough country roads round here but with the damping right down its surprisingly comfortable on most routes.