2007 Lotus 2-Eleven

I had a few questions about the dash recently, so thought this would be a decent time in the thread to share that info in case anyone else is considering this sort of tech in their car.

First up I spent a bit of time last night on the TC telltale issue, it turns out my config was fine - I just wasn’t switching TC off properly on the car. The push and hold button in the car does not disable TC, but it ‘activates’ the adjustment knob, then you can spin the knob fully clockwise to disable TC (at which point the telltale correctly lights up), spin fully counter clockwise for minimum slip and then have a granular adjustment range between the two extremes.

Unfortunately with my car being an early model, the canbus is very limited and the only data sent from the ECU is whether the TC is on or off, or intervening. Apparently on the newer blackdash cars it also sends a slip % target to be displayed on the dash, which would have been cool - but I can add all that later if/when my EMU Black ECU goes in.

As for the dash itself, it’s an ECUMaster ADU5. They do a 7" version but it’s just too big to comfortably fit inside a Lotus dash shroud. In your hand, it feels tiny - but it does suit the Lotus interior scale pretty well IMO.

The 6 big lights either side of the dash are fully configurable and you can use them for whatever you want. I use two of them for indicators, one to flash up when an alarm is raised, one to flash up when TC intervenes (in addition to the telltale on the dash) and I have one light up blue when the coolant and oil are below the threshold I’ve set for “driving hard”, stuff like that.

The shift lights are again fully configurable, you can either have them going left to right, right to left or in from the sides/out from the middle. I’ve gone for F1 inspired colour coding of Green-Red-Blue left to right.

The dashboards are one of the cheaper ones on the market, but they come with literally no config on them and you have to build up everything yourself. They’re certainly not plug and play! For me though, that’s the fun bit. I’ve spent hours and hours of sofa time on a night tweaking my dash layouts, alarm logics, etc. I love it. The base price also excludes wiring, addons such as GPS module and other bits that make the other PnP dash kits feel like better value for money if you just want to get up and running ASAP.

Oh, you also need to buy some sort of USB to CAN adapter, ECUMaster make one - but it’s still more addon cost to consider if you’re planning one into your project.

Once you have the client installed and you’re connected, you can start making stuff. It’s very, very flexible and generally the quality of the aesthetic is limited only by your own imagination. There are some amazing examples out in the community, but over time I’ve stripped out ‘fluff’ from mine and made them very plain and functional, whilst still in keeping with the car. My favourite dash design of all time is the stack “triangle” dash which gives an idea for where I’m at in terms of function vs form!

My ‘Road’ Dash layout currently looks like this. I’ve alternated between having a digital bar type RPM bar and an analogue style gauge, still not sure what I prefer.

The bottom half is loosely inspired by the later Lotus dash layouts, with their dayglo LCD panel in the corner and warning lights across the bottom. All of the greyed out lights are functional, and light up properly when needed. The top right one is a custom one I made to light up blue when my gearbox cooler was live on my Exige. (cooler hasn’t been migrated to the 2-11 yet).

The speed, mileage, RPM, all data is just in a demo mode for these screenshots.

The ‘Race’ dash layout is like this:

Over the months I’ve stripped out all sorts of data that I just don’t care about when lapping on track. The lap timing stuff across the bottom is of course not legal for UK trackdays so I wouldn’t dream of having it enabled at such events, but it’s very useful for the odd occasion I do something competitively.

I have two stages of warning for if some data goes out of bounds, if it goes “softly” out of bounds, the box lights up red:

And if it goes way out of bounds, the dash warning triggers which also lights up some of the LEDs. Very hard to miss.

In terms of stuff like fuel, the fuel pump icon lights up red when I’m <20% and stuff like that. The Oil Pressure warnings are dynamic based on RPM too, so I won’t get a warning at 1bar of oil pressure if the car is at idle, but at 5k RPM if it dips below 3 bar (for example) it will flash up.

The next screen I have is a diagnostics screen. This is still carry over from the Exige so some of these rows are not currently available from the OEM ECU in the 211.

…and then finally, again for events only I can see a lap time summary of the session.

I browse through these pages sequentially using what used to be the trip reset button on the steering cowl. As far as I’m aware there’s no practical upper limit of screens you can have or make, which is pretty cool. If I add more buttons in the future, you can also handle page navigation differently - such as pressing a “race mode” button to go straight to race, or having a forward and backwards option, etc.

Whilst driving, the data is all writing to a USB stick which can be loaded into the ECUMaster Data Master application on a Windows PC. This is where stuff gets really geeky, and I’ve barely even scratched the surface of it so far. Here is some data, of course from a competitive event I did previously.

On every dashboard/tab in the application you get a sidebar which has the lap list of the laps from that session:

You can select a couple at once (identified by the red and white circles next to the 1.11.1 and the 1.11.3) which will then allow you to compare those two laps on all subsequent screens.

There is an “Engine” tab which is setup similar to this, though of course is all customisable:

If you hover over a section of the RPMxLap graph in the top left, it will create cursors (one red and one white) in all the other charts to show you the data point at that particular moment.

The ‘Driver’ tab gives a bit of detail of where the time was lost or found.

This example shows that the ‘white’ lap was faster, by a fair margin almost all the way through, then threw almost all of it away at the final corner (probably due to taking a tighter line due to a car leaving the track). Once I have a full data set available to me, I’d love to track TPS and Brake Pressure inputs on this screen too.

You also get a full session breakdown of mini sector times:

Showing a virtual best, and a rolling best. This is what really showed how inconsistent I am from lap to lap. At a properly competitive event, being able to analyse this data between sessions would reap massive rewards in lap timing.

The Data Master client although in early Beta, also boasts video/overlay integration too - so looking forward to playing with that in the near future.

To summarise this is one of the favourite modifications I’ve made to any car, ever. If you want a PnP digi dash for an Elise/Exige then there are better options out there, but the fact this device is ‘car agnostic’ and I can take with me across all projects just adds to the value of it for me personally. The level of customisation is second only to the proper crazy motorsports gear at the thick end of the price range. After switching to the ECUMaster ECU in my Exige, this dash later stole the limelight and I found myself spending more time geeking out on the dash than I did the ECU, and is one of the reasons why I’m in no real rush to stick the ECU in the 211.

Now this is interesting. I had a proper hankering for a dash to view the data. Its a pain logging and reviewing after. I want realtime stats!

Very, very cool.

I usually film my track days so I can go back and see where I am fast and slow (I’m normally slow :wink: ), but having the actual data is such a great way to improve and make track days even more fun.

Going back to the great feel of the brakes, do you know what pads and fluid you are running?

Yes it’s cool as hell, I wish I had the time, talent and budget* to go racing properly to get the most out of it. *Yes yes I know if I just gave up Lotus ownership for a year I could probably fund several years of racing in something! The ban on laptiming for trackdays I have no issues with, I really don’t care about the ultimate times and I would agree that ‘chasing the clock’ is inevitably going to lead to more accidents, but I dislike the way that rule means I can’t legally make use of all this data I’m capable of collecting.

Small update by recent standards…

I was still running without the centre console and I’d already had to fish half a dozen fly corpses out of it. An exposed shifter in this type of car will just not work! Time to put the cover back on, but I wanted one more tentative adjustment of the linkage first. 1-6 are bloody perfect and I didn’t want to upset that, but reverse felt a little hard to get occasionally. In hindsight I think that may just be the lack of leverage offered by the shorter shift throw meaning I need more man power to select reverse, but I did a half-arsed tweak anyway which didn’t seem to make things worse.

Got the cover cleaned up, and gear gaiter treated.

These plastics don’t half get a hard life, usually harness buckle and shoe fodder but this one is pretty tidy, and it cleaned up a treat.

Getting it back in was another matter though. At Blyton you may recall my seat rail was misbehaving and this was fixed by moving the seat to a different configuration of floor holes. It worked, but it means I no longer had clearance for the centre console. A night of swearing and head scratching, I came back with a fresh head and loosened off the shift linkage, encouraged it to the passenger side a bit and then bolted it all down. I now had clearance, excellent.

Last job was the gear knob. The 211 one was a minter, but had a different thread to the earlier Exige linkage that I was now running. The Exige knob had suffered some storage battlescars. I’d thought about sleeving the shift leaver to allow me to use the 211 knob, but thought I’d have a go at refurbing the Exige one first.

Ground the head off a bolt, stuck it in the knob and a drill and made a sketchy lathe.

Wizzed it with a few grades of wet and dry and was able to replicate the OEM brushed aluminium texture pretty closely, and significantly tidied up the knob.

Very happy with that, feels great in the hand too. Any serial Fonzey thread readers may recall I did this same thing on my Elise about 6 years ago, but went one step forward with some autosol. It made a mirror finish from the knob, looked ace - but not quite in keeping with the rest of the interior.

Interior back in, ready for action.

Oh, somewhere amongst that I took the car out again to a local family day at an aeroclub. The missus is showing an interest in light aircraft recently, and I’m finding that flight nerds and Lotus nerds tend to go hand in hand - one usually follows the other closely, so makes for some mutually enjoyable days out. I’ve said it before but the 2-11 really is a show stealer, it has a presence that photographs don’t quite do justice IMO.

Nothing like a “significantly tidied up knob”

It’s like you’re back at your desk :clap: :wink: :laughing:

You never lose it!

Bit of housekeeping this weekend.

I have a Strongman Tamar ramp which got heavily used for Exige maintenance, it’s a great quick and safe way to lift an Elise/Exige and still provides access to the four corners and the engine bay quite comfortably.

Unfortunately the 2-11 didn’t fit over it, so some garage modifications were needed.

I could look at sinking the ramp, at least partially into the floor but I like how mobile it is for now. Eventually I’d like to do away with the twin manual doors on the garage and put a big single roller in. This would allow me to bring the ramp a little more central and at that point I’d be happier sinking it I think. Until then, reject scaff boards it is.

They’re a bit wavy and warped to be honest, so any hope of taking some accurate suspension alignment readings parked her will be a bit optimistic, so I need to to think about how I can improve it.

For now though, the car glides on nicely and I have lift capability again. Woo.

With the car in the air, it was a convenient time to address the oil cooler cockup I made prior to Blyton. As a reminder, I’d discovered the mishimoto sandwich plate reverses the OEM flow of oil, which is a problem on accusump equipped cars like this one. I didn’t much much/any effort into sourcing an alternate with the correct flow direction, and simply swapping the hoses over was a bit of a stretch for the plumbing so I just put the original sandwich plate back in.

One of the early drivers for putting a Mishimoto plate in was to improve (increase) oil temps at road speeds. Particularly in colder weather, the Lotus/2zz setup with twin air coolers does seem to over cool the oil a bit. I say a bit, because it’s not like it’s been trashing engines across the world - so it’s clearly in spec, but when you see oil temps drop to 50C or lower when cruising on a cold motorway it’s a little worrying.
I managed to find a thermostat service kit for the OEM sandwich plate (made by Mocal), so put in a thermostat which opens at 92 instead of 80(?). I don’t think this will help too much though, upon visual inspection you can see that the mocal plate design differs to that of the mishimoto by being “permanently open”, it relies on the path of least resistance to do a “soft bypass” of the coolers, but right from cold there will be constant oil flow through the coolers, just not as much as when the thermostat opens later on.

Still, race car innit. Can’t see me doing many frosty morning motorway jaunts in this!

Your garage looks a little strange with the lack of blue exige in it. Took me a double take to validate it was your garage!

No Techy stuff for a few weeks, but it has felt like the Summer has suddenly slipped through my fingers and I had a pang of panic that I wanted to get some more use out of the car!

I’d sold some Carbon bits from the Exige to a chap over near Manchester, so we decided to arrange a drop off, meet a few others and then do a run through the Dales and up towards Penrith before I peel off and go back home.

Meant an early start, pushed the car in a socially responsible manner outside at about 04:45.

I filled up at my local Shell, boring detail… but remember this later.

It was a very, very cold run over the top of the M62. I think the lowest temp was about 7 or 8 degrees when hitting the summit and I was struggling, wondering WTF I was doing.

Upon arriving at Lymm services, I went inside to warm up and wait for the others.

Following a coffee and a toastie it was time to push on, one of our attendees is an amateur meteorology enthusiast and suggested we’d stay dry, so I left the waterproof romper suit in its bag and pushed on.

It absolutely bounced it down for about 25mins. It was streaming from my visor, bouncing off the front clam, spraying up behind the car like a massive rooster tail… yet somehow, I remained ‘quite’ dry. The only part of me which was feeling wet was a patch on my right knee where water was dripping through a panel gap and then the hood of my hoodie was collecting the water streaming off the helmet. The passenger seat remained almost entirely dry, it was incredible.

On the short blast up the M6 we encountered a large bunch of modified Minis clearly on their way to a meet. We flew in formation with them for a bit, getting a handful of thumbs ups, a handful more laughs and was certainly feeling like I was the butt of a joke. What I later found out, is that the 3 Lotus’ I was with had radios (pointless me having one…) and they ended up on the same frequency as all the Minis… so I was being laughed at from all directions I think.

We finally got to Lancaster services, not a scheduled stop - but I think everyone felt a bit sorry for me. Sun came out, but I wasn’t taking any chances now.

Up into the Dales and things brightened up nicely, and the waterproofs added enough warmth to make me comfortable at last. Really should have left the house with them on.

We got fairly lucky with traffic all day, and had some great runs up and across, then up North past Banard Castle into the Pennines via a breakfast stop in Richmond. (I had a lovely marketplace audience to slow-clap me getting beached on a cobbled speedhump)

You can’t do the Dales without taking this photo

Though the one taken seconds later was much cooler

I’d backed the damping off on the car for this run, only on compression and left rebound on the ‘road’ settings provided by Lotus. Still needs a bit of fine tuning but it was really quite capable on the road, using the V6 in front of my as a visual reference as to how bumpy the road ahead looked I was able to carry more and more speed through the bumpy bits, with only the extreme of undulations catching my front splitter. Unfortunately the Banard Castle → Alston road got a bit too much in places, but after I backed off and let the others go I was able to still enjoy it, just at a slightly slower pace.

The 2-Eleven is fundamentally compromised as a road car, but I don’t think that’s a surprise to anyone. I could probably go quicker in either of my daily driver options on some of the sections but the sense of adventure and novelty of being open topped is well worth the effort. The damping and spring rates are bob on, it’s purely the rideheight that holds it back. Perhaps a middleground could be found with a road-only splitter with a much skinnier profile.

It was my first full day of helmet use on the road and it… wasn’t great, to be honest. It was very uncomfortable to squeeze my earplugs in, and whenever checking my blindspots for lane changes etc, the helmet would catch the airflow and bounce my head around like mad. I’m on the market for a new helmet, I’d like one which has the space inside the liner for a headset so I’ve got intercom options with a passenger, but also bluetooth/radio connectivity so I can be a little more comfortable when driving solo. I’ll talk to some helmet-people about whether a lid with some aero-appendages is also worthwhile, or just a daft gimmick.

After getting about as far North and West as I dared, it was time to peel off and leave the others to it. I decided to go beanie and goggles for the return trip and was much more comfortable despite the still fairly cool temperatures.

Just before arriving home, 10 hours after filling up, I pulled into my local Shell to collect the fuel filler cap I’d left there all day…

Great day out, glad I did it - but I have some helmet/clothing to sort out before doing this again in mixed conditions. That might be it for proper road drives in 2022, but still more to come on the trackday calendar.

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Hahahahaha!! Yep, that’s an awesome photo mate - very cool! :laughing:

Looks a seriously great drive though - if a little ‘damp’ at times…

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I can recommend the Stilo ST5 carbon. Mine has the intercom , mic thing and a jack to the outside so you can add in more things. Welcome to have a look anytime.

Cheers Andy, The Stilo is on the list but also the Bell GTX3 on the basis that it has a chin spoiler and a little thing on the back too. It’ll likely come down to whether I have a “Bell head” or a “Stilo Head”, Arai, etc - then just pick the appropriate helmet from the best fitting lineup.

Aside from Demontweeks I don’t know a good place to go and try a load on, certainly nothing local. Any suggestions?

They were both on my list too. I got a steal of a price on the stilo and went for that. I had my head in a stilo lid before and knew it fit…

Try these in Nottingham? Showroom & Services > GSM Performance

They seem to have all of the big players, so looks like a good bet. Cheers Andy

I’m loving reading this Kyle. The 211 certainly sounds like it takes commitment, so hats off to you.

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Just had a long catch-up . . . great effort

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Done a couple of jobs on the 2-Eleven this last week, summarised as follows.

First up, I swapped out the steering quick release hub that the car came with. There was nothing ‘wrong’ with the old one, until I saw/touched/experienced a different make/model of hub which was just infinitely nicer to use.

The old one wins points for looking very OEM, very discreet and suited the interior of the car nicely.

Problem is, you have to be really, really precise to get it onto the splines straight which is incredibly difficult when stood over the car. Found it was almost impossible to fit/remove unless I was sat in the seat. It also had a tiny bit of play, but in hindsight after taking it apart this may have just been the bolts at the back working loose - as they had galled out the metal of the splined adapter on the car a bit.

The new one from Seriouslylotus is a bit blingier, but allows you to fit the wheel from any orientation and just spin it around unti it lines up and ‘clicks home’. It’s really nice to use, feels solid and as a passive benefit it spaced the wheel towards me fractionally more.

Nice bit of grot to fix after removing the original.

Also replaced a couple of clips that meant the steering wheel shroud didn’t quite fit straight before. Much better now.

Really happy with it, though can’t help feeling the car was previously aligned with the hub off by a notch. I’ve used the “TOP” markings on the splined adapter and it put my steering wheel off by a spline. Something to verify when I get it on an alignment rig.

Next I got the undertray off and fitted some jack/lifter pucks.

These are great for people with 2-post/scissor lifts because they fill the void between the chassis crossmember and the flimsy undertray - allowing you to lift the car directly from the undertray. For doing any corner-work on the car, this cuts down the time taken to get it up in the air 10x fold.

Pretty boring ‘upgrade’ but a gamechanger in the garage. It still means that I can’t remove/refit the undertray with the car up in the air like you could with a 4 poster ramp, but I’ve yet to find a convenient workaround for that.

With the car in the air testing out my new lift pucks, I took the opportunity to swap out the rear pads.

They’re nearing end of life, but also found they’re a mismatched compound to the fronts. They appear to be Carbon Lorraine pads (Pagid RS14 in the front, still with loads of life). As luck would half it, I had a part worn set of RS14 in stock from a previous incident in which a front set was prematurely destroyed so they’ve gone in. This should hopefully mean I finish off this front and rear set at around the same time, at which point discs will also be needed.

Final update, exciting one for me. I bought a trailer!

Obviously when buying the 2-11, the cost of a trailer was factored in. It’s something I was dabbling with via rentals for the Exige, but losing the roof/glass made it a no brainer. Getting a bit wet on the way to/from a trackday isn’t the biggest concern, it’s more a way to leave the car safely overnight in a hotel carpark etc.

Trailer is an eco-shuttle from eco-trailer. Picked it up used after it had been traded in for a bigger model, so got a decent deal as it’s fully specced with the key options such as remote winch and tyre rack.

In terms of dimensions, I’d made a string box around the car to make sure it would fit but I was really nervous about ground clearance and ramping it in. For that reason, I’ve been sat on the trailer for WEEKS putting off the trial fit, but I could delay no longer and this weekend I got to work.

With a helping hand from Jamie (buyer of my Exige, reader of the thread and all round nice guy) we got to work, and it really wasn’t difficult at all.

I had some wooden ramps already made up to give a head start, but that still gave splitter clearance issues on the approach.

Fortunately the trailer was also optioned with a tilt-bed, so that was deployed and it awarded bags of clearance.

Car went in snug, but with enough room to get to the four corners for wheel straps, and comfortably clamber in and out.

Driving in and out at no point felt sketchy (something I can’t say for the rental open trailers I’d used previously) and was without drama.

Now onto the dilemma of “load forwards or backwards”. With the weight distribution of a Lotus being approx 60:40, you can usually get away with whichever orientation is more convenient for loading by shuffling the car forwards or backwards a bit to get the right nose weight. With the tyre rack loaded, and the 2-11 pushed as far forwards as I could, I could only get around 45kg of nose weight. Target is 70, and limit is 100kg for my particular setup. (I later found the tyres were far below spec pressure, so whether that will alter the nose weight or not…I’m unsure).

To load the car on backwards I think would mean sacrificing the tyre rack. Not a huge problem, I can load wheels in the tow car after all - but if I can make this work as-is, I will.

I need to go on a proper test drive to see how comfortable it feels with 45kg, but I should be able to ballast it out a bit more at the front with some strategically stored jerry cans/tools/etc. If I can get it a bit closer to 70kg on the nose, I will… but I may be overthinking it a bit.

If it drives like crap, four bolts and the tyre rack is out - and car can easily go on backwards.

Very chuffed with the trailer though, I think it was a relative bargain and it really opens me up to do whatever I want to do with the 211, at any time of year.

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Useful post for those of us looking at trailers. Trailer looks idea for the purpose as well!

Please put the straps for the wheels though the wheels, rather than over them! Know someone who did the same as you, and arrived at their trackday with the front wheels having come off the rack and smashed the front clamshell and screen!
Not as bad as the guy with the Clio Cup car that he had forgotten to tie down at all in his truck, that you could watch running back and forward as he was shunting into position at his garage at Snet though.
Expensive either way! And both left very early on!

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