2007 Lotus 2-Eleven

As ever I shall be following your pump escapades with interest.

I noted the following- ProAlloy have two pumps :

  1. Bosch Part Number 0 392 023 004 Bosch Water Pump - Pro Alloy

Autodoc data tells me the following ( https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bosch/1155414 )

  • Rated Voltage [V]:12
  • Pressure [bar]:0,1
  • Flow rate [l/h]:900 ( 15l/min )
  • Protection Type (IP Code):IP6K7, IP69K
  • Supplementary Article / Supplementary Info:without holder
  • BOSCH:Water Pump, parking heater
  • Item number:0 392 023 004
  1. Bosch Part Number 0 392 022 002 Large Bosch Water Pump - Pro Alloy

Autodoc tells me the following ( https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bosch/1155411 )

  • Voltage [V]:12
  • Pressure [bar]:0,3
  • Flow rate [l/h]:1300 ( 21.6l/min )
  • Protection Type (IP Code):IP5K4
  • BOSCH:Water Pump, parking heater
  • Item number:0 392 022 002
  • Our price:138,35 £
  • Manufacturer part number:0 392 022 002

I am pretty sure ours have the Bosch Part Number 0 392 023 004 installed.

Most people tend to go for the davies craig models ( dont they?! ). I could find these stats:

On face value the davies craig pumps , pump more water in terms of l/m

Be interested to read your thoughts. My main concern is that at the minute the best science I have if the pump is working or not is dipping my finger into the chargecooler resevoir after tanking it round.

My finger isnt calibrated really for this task.

Cheers Andy, good info on the pumps.

My plan was to actually measure the flow rate of mine into a bucket to see if the plumbing capacity was leading to lower pressure and hence flow than what it should be kicking out, then just lob a bigger one in to compare!

Only other relatively low impact thing I could do is take one of my two oil coolers out of the circuit and get it modified to provide auxiliary coolant cooling for the CC circuit. Obviously that’s a risk that I then fall behind on oil cooling, but I feel like I’m really comfortable on that front and could probably afford a bit more oil temp. Undecided on this though, maybe that’s a winter 24/25 thing to try if the pump upgrade is underwhelming.

Be slightly careful measuring the flow into a bucket, as the pumps - especially the little ones - don’t like a lot of pressure in the system. They’re good to compare like for like, but it’s a bit more of a grey area once the system is sealed.
The ideal solution is an inline flow meter, but a bit more spendy than a bucket!

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My buckets are pretty expensive tbf

I don’t think flow rate will tell you much in isolation.

Liquid temp is the deciding factor for me.

I have a flow rate ( lpm/gom ) and temp sensor for my water cooling setup.

Is such thing available for cars?

Yeah there are flow rate sensors, but at this point I think tail is wagging the dog. As you say, we don’t really care about flow rate - we care about the temperature of the water and how much of that is transferring into the intercooler. How the flow rate contributes to that is academic really.

I’ll be comparing isolated flow rates of both pumps because I can. Anecdotally the trickle of coolant back into my header tank seems slower than it was on my Exige. Is my pump getting tired, or is the extra few feet of plumbing enough to push it out of its comfort zone? Maybe my pump is getting tired. Maybe it ate that washer that I lost that time and one of the impeller blades are missing?! I’ll probably never know.

Ultimately what I care about is if IATs are lower or not. I’ll fit a pump, make some observations but ultimately its success will be gauged on 2024 IATs.

Silverstone update.

All too soon, it’s time for the season finale at Silverstone once again with Lotus on Track.

After the traditional meet up in the local premier inn pub the night before, it was time to brave the cold and shake off last nights beers for the trundle into the circuit. I commented last year on how daunting and impressive the place was… and it very much still is! Something about the sheer scale of the place, and today… it was ours.

The garages are absolutely mega here. Enough space for probably 12 cars comfortably, a private bog, lighting. What’s not to love?!

It was wet, and very cold. The rain was barely an icy drizzle and didn’t really persist beyond the first session but as with Oulton, the cold yet humid air meant that the track would stay moist until well into lunchtime.

Many lols aimed at the 2-Eleven driver for his poor choice of winter track toy, but I was pretty toasty on track to be fair in my longjohns and fleece. Less so stood around in the pitlane though, it was FREEZING!

Caught up with plenty of old faces, and met a few new ones too. Including long time sufferer from our small ECUMaster&Lotus community Stewie in his S3 Cup Elise, also bristling with Ecumaster toys. Nice to meet you! Car went great.

My experience of Silverstone last year was tainted a bit by me feeling a bit under the weather. We had a completely dry day, but I still just couldn’t find my mojo and never really felt like I was leaning on the car.

Though it’s a very wide circuit, with loads of run-off in place, it just wasn’t somewhere I felt comfortable pushing on. I was determined to fix that this year.

Venturing out for the damp first few sessions I made it a point to get the car moving around a lot in the slower sections around Village. This seems to be my trick now on trackdays, if I get the car moving early in the day - it gives me a reference point and raises my comfort bar considerably. Once it dries out, I tend to carry this confidence forward and occasionally throw a decent lap together.

If it’s dry and sticky from Lap 1, I sometimes fall too far short of the limit - and never really give myself that reference point.

After slipping and sliding around a bit, I was soon stringing some half decent (but still wet and slow) laps together. Last year was a turkey shoot with the Porsche GT cars and bigger powered V6 Exiges in attendance, but this time I felt like I was earning my spot on the track and was much less of a mobile chicane.

My first two sessions were pretty long, around 30mins each as I was convinced it was going to chuck it down and reset my calibration, so I wanted to make the most of the drying track and slowly build into it.

As Lunchtime approached, the track was almost totally dry everywhere but the Stowe → Club section which stayed remarkably slippery. After lunch it was still a bit sketchy around there, but now we were properly leaning on the cars a bit and it was feeling great.

My speed relative to the other cars on track was completely different to last year. Though a 4cyl car is never going to be winning trackday P1’s at Silverstone, the 2-Eleven had a brilliant showing and it was flattering me nicely.

Compared to last year I was significantly more committed in the flowing sections such as maggots/becketts and I was carrying much better speed on entry into the Luffield swooping loop final corner. The 2-Eleven party trick on the brakes doesn’t get much opportunity to be exploited at Silverstone, but the ability to just shift direction with light throttle lifts was gaining me huge ground over the slightly heavier cars that needed to dab on the brakes and upset their momentum.

Had a few moments pushing too far into Becketts as the long left on entry would sucker me in to applying throttle sooner and sooner, to suddenly find I was running out of track for the tightening right to get onto the hangar straight. Was lots of fun though.

My commitment on entry into the two quick rights of Copse and Abbey was still weak. Always came through those with LOADS of track left to use, so need some brave pills here. Stowe I improved a bit on compared to last year, but still feels like there’s room to push there too. The exit curb just jumps out at you for Stowe so it can rattle you a bit if you mistime entry.

It wouldn’t be a trackday without a GoPro fail. It survived until the first session after lunch, but then it had it’s weird overheating/crashing issue that it had at Oulton. After this it stopped recognising the external mic, as I later found. More on GoPros to come in my next post I think.
Lotus 2-Eleven at a drying Silverstone - YouTube

This was a decent lap as the track was drying. Ultimately I’d go on to be another couple of seconds quicker than this but my later session laps are borderline unwatchable as the external mic failed. The noise is horrific, but if anyone REALLY wants to see some laps from that session I’ll oblige…

The main time gained in later laps compared to the video was speed carried into Stowe after it fully dried, but also not having the traffic through the Vale/Club section. Aside from that the lap is fairly representative of where I ended up.

According to what I can tell from videos, I’m 8 seconds faster than last year.

Traffic was a bit of an issue towards the end of the day, and light was fading quickly (particularly behind the tinted visor!) so ultimately called it about 35mins early with a very achy neck, but a shit eating grin you could probably see from Brands Hatch.

Was a tremendous day and I’ve got a totally different opinion of driving Silverstone compared to this time last year.

Car was just a bit quicker through the various mods (plus I’d like to think a bit of driver improvement!) that I didn’t feel like a rolling roadblock, yes it’s not a race yada yada but it does get a bit irritating when you’re constantly glued to your mirrors when trying to find some rhythm.

Some notable stats from GPS:

  • 12kph quicker on the hangar straight compared to 2022.
  • 10kph higher minimum speed through Stowe
  • 15kph higher on Maggots entry
  • 10kph higher on Becketts exit

Still plenty of speed to be had, you can see from the video that I’m rarely troubling exit curbs or even some apexes in fear of finding some water hiding on a curb, but the care felt lively yet reassuring and was a pleasure to drive.

It was a nice feeling to load back into the trailer with a fully working car. GoPros have been my only concern since Spa really, which is a good problem to have.

She’s now tucked up in the garage. I think I said something earlier in the year along the lines of “the car is done, I just need to drive it now” but we’ll see about that. Already been sorting and resorting my tools in the garage to try to keep busy…

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Huge numbers there.

Enforces my belief that you need stats / data to improve

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Happy Winter everyone.

I think I said sometime in summer that my car was effectively ‘done’ and it was just maintenance and trackdays from now on. Obviously that was wrong.

The brake updates I made mid-year have been steadily improved upon through the year. Playing with different compounds and disc sizes on the rear has got me to a place where the car does stop harder and better than it did originally, and still remains driveable when carrying some braking into corners etc.

Deep down though I do feel like I’m compromising the new setup, and running weaker pads and/or smaller discs in the rear to return some bias towards the front feels like I’m taking away some of the ‘upgrades’ that I’d invested in.

The setup I had going at Silverstone was really very good, and I should have left it at that. Obviously I haven’t.

I had two main things to ‘resolve’:

Getting adjustable brake bias would allow me to put the bigger hardware back onto the rear, and control the balance at the master cylinder instead.

Then I had ABS. It’s clear that the changes I’ve made are proving a little confusing to the ABS computer, even with the bias in a much more driveable state I’m getting fairly regular ‘ice mode’ on track. Now I know about it, I can drive around it - but it’s still feeling like a bit of a regression.

Any fixes towards these two issues would need the front clam to come off. Luckily the work of a moment, think I have this down to about 15mins.

Aeroscreen comes off first, gets stored somewhere safe, then it’s barely a dozen other fixings accessed from either the cabin or under the front splitter, then the car just sort of falls apart.

My prey for the first phase:

The two ways to get adjustable balance is either by restricting the rear circuit via a proportioning valve or to get a setup which uses twin master cylinders and a balance bar.

The Factory master cylinder has two outlets, one for front circuit and one for rear - with a fixed bias between the two.

I ruled out the proportioning valve because the plumbing with ABS was giving me a headache. The MC sends pressure to the ABS pump, then the ABS pump splits that out between the two rear wheels - so I’d need to have the valve between the MC and the ABS unit, and doing that whilst making the valve accessible to the driver was feeling like a pain.

Non ABS cars have a single brake line through the centre console, then it T’s out at the rear - so much more convenient for sticking a valve in.

As for switching to twin master cylinders, I initially reached out to Pilbeam Racing as they’re well known for doing Lotus pedalboxes. Their product is well tested, lots of happy people with them - but unfortunately part of their supply chain has fallen over, and currently none are being made. I then got bored of chasing somebody who clearly isn’t bothered about selling any more, so that was that.

The only other ready made option I could find was the concept of a bias cage. Compbrake in the UK make some, they replace the booster and master cylinder on the clam side of the bulkhead, but leave the actual pedals and mechanism alone. The Compbrake ones look pretty flimsy, and don’t get rave reviews.

I then came across an option from the US via BOE Fabrication.

After some discussions with them about choosing the right MC sizes, we ended up going with twin 0.75" units. Usually you’d run a smaller one for the rear circuit, to get more brake actuation at the back - but as I wanted to dial the rears back a bit, the even sized cylinders would hopefully bring me somewhere back in the ‘zone’. There’s then a remote adjuster which can be mounted in the cabin to give me a fairly wide range of adjustment to dial it in.

The construction seems very good, very solid and perhaps overengineered in a few areas. I guess any flex is bad with regards to pedal feel, and will lead to inconsistent pressure differential between front and rear circuits if the whole cage is flexing. There’s no danger of this doing that, it’s solid as you like.

An additional benefit over the pedalbox is that the MC’s are plumbed into the fluid reservoir in its original position, unlike having independent ‘pots’ per MC. On a 2-Eleven that would be logistically very challenging as you get a tiny aperture in the clam to top up fluid.

The big change I’ve glossed over is losing the brake booster. Unassisted brakes, here I come. I’m actually quite hopeful about this change, as it’s obviously a light car - and as light as the lightest factory S1’s which all came without boosted brakes.

If you ever drive a Toyota Lotus back to back with a Rover one, the Toyota brake pedal truly does feel awful. The booster introduces a tiny bit of ‘mehh’ at the top of the travel, and I’ve experienced it on every single Toyota car ever driven. No amount of bleeding or fettling can remove it, IME.

My hope is that a passive benefit to all this is that I’ll finally get a proper pedal. My dailies all have better brake pedals than the Lotus, which is a real shame for such a drivers’ car.

Step one, upside down in the footwell to detach the rod from the pedal.

Was my first time doing this since getting the Tillett seats. Had my very own Nutty Putty experience upside down in the footwell. Google that if you don’t like sleeping at night.

Was the matter of a few minutes to get the booster disconnected and pulled from the car after straightening my back out.

That little flanged adapter for the booster is one of those occasional nice finds of “nice bits” you find in a Lotus. Can’t explain what I like about it, it’s just nice.

After a few trial fits, I decided I wasn’t happy with the pushrod that connects the pedal to the balance bar.

The “long” clevice was loctited onto the solid end of the rod, with the shorter one screwed into the other end with the jamnuts. This indicated that the rod length is adjusted by spinning the short clevice, but the long clevice is the one that fits around the brake pedal. This would put the adjustment and the locknuts in an inaccessible position within the assembly, meaning I’d need to remove the bias cage each time I wanted to tweak the length of the rod.

As a result, I took it apart and swapped the ends over. Much better.

I can now (Nutty Putty style) lay in the car, adjusting the length in situ and even get a miniature spanner on to lock up the locknuts.

After getting it bolted up, I then had some major concerns about clam clearance.

You can see the top row of my rad where the fins have been bent… this is where the front clam sits flush. The Tilton MCs come with -3an outlets and these random adapters were in just to keep crud out, but there’s no way these would work. Luckily the Tiltons are machined for banjo bolts, which should allow me to run a short length of flexi from the MCs to some junction boxes/manifolds for brake pressure sensors.

I couldn’t get over the clam clearance concerns, so popped the clam back on for a trial fit. It’s close! But close works.

You can see where I’ve fettled the radiator lip down a bit. I’ll maybe trim this, or fettle it a bit more once I know what the plumbing run looks like.

I’m pretty happy with the install, it’s pretty tidy - and if I was leaving ABS alone then the install would probably be almost finished now. I’d just need to make new lines up from MC’s to ABS unit, then job jobbed.

However… ABS is not getting left alone.

Three main choices here to fix the ice mode:

  1. Toggle the ABS off when I get to a trackday. Easy thing to implement, but would then rob my ECU of speed sensor data meaning no traction control.

  2. Delete ABS completely. Leave the electronic gubbins behind to retain the speed sensor data.

  3. Motorsport ABS.

At time of fitting this bias cage, I genuinely didn’t know which way to go. I’d taken the ABS pump out just to give me some working space, but no decisions had been made.

If I go for an ABS delete, then plumbing is just MC → T Piece → 2x Calipers for both front and rear circuit. Could be done in a few hours and that’s job done.

If going for Motorsport ABS, then depending on what that looks like, how big it is and how it’s orientated - I’ll need to find a home for it, then custom plumbing, and some electrics, new wheelspeed sensors (need Hall effect sensors), etc. Lots of work.

Despite no decisions being made yet, I still took a hub off. You know, just to take a look.

That’s about up to date now, decisions will influence next steps and timescales - but so far, happy to be back on the spanners again.

I did find a kink in my chargecooler hose which is likely contributing to my perceived poor flow rate in the 2-Eleven. The Exige one always seemed to flow better, tbh. This will be an easy fix.

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Will you ever stop taking this car apart :smile:
Top work so far fella👍

You do. You really do.

Loving this very detailed write up, thanks for sharing!

Nice pedal box that is!

Great effort! Enjoying , as always.

In my quest for better Toyota Exige brake pedal feel a little part of me died when I read this:

“The booster introduces a tiny bit of ‘mehh’ at the top of the travel, and I’ve experienced it on every single Toyota car ever driven. No amount of bleeding or fettling can remove it, IME.”

But if I’ve understood the options you’re weighing up, I’m very interested to hear that it’s possible to retain ABS with the brake booster removed. If this reduces the pedal travel it would be a massive result.

The decision was always to just go for an ABS delete, as Motorsport units were on my radar and just far too expensive for something as unsexy as braking.

That changed a month or two back when I saw a used Bosch M4 kit come up for same from a 2-Eleven race car. It was like it was meant to be, wiring was sure to be right for the car and it even included the later S3 Elise wheelspeed hubs that worked with Hall effect sensors. Oh, and it was a fraction of the cost of a new unit.

I discussed a bit with the seller, but eventually bottled it. No problem with the seller at all, shared all the info I could possibly need and the unit was priced fairly but I spoke to a couple of Bosch specialists about the serviceability of these just in case I needed support with it down the line who all reported that these units could not be serviced at all, and if they die… they die.

Despite this M4 still being much cheaper than new, it was still a lot to spend on something with unknown history, so I bailed.

The way my brain works though, meant I’d now approved a spend for that amount… and in steps SCS Delta.

SCS are in the standalone ECU market and I believe have some ex-Lotus bods on the team, so they’ve always been on my radar for the PnP kits that they provide for Lotuses. They also happen to be one of the few to come out with their own Motorsport ABS unit and it’s extremely close in price to the used M4 I was considering:

This is the GenII version, I think their GenI has been out for a couple of years now but the II has only just surfaced. I won’t pretend to know all the details between the two but the main pump seems a lot more compact (and lighter) and the electronics are all built into it now, whereas GenI had a standalone ECU for it.

It’s suspiciously close to the Bosch units both in physical appearance, the switchgear/accessories used but also the CAN stream uses an identical format and address schema.

This still wasn’t a slam dunk, and I meant it when I said that I was still debating this as I was bolting the brake bias cage to the car, but I guess it was always inevitable.

This is exciting to me for two core reasons, one that I get to ‘fix forward’, maintain ABS and arguably improve the potential of the brakes even further, but second as this adds some nice data into my datalogging suite that I’m steadily building up.

The strategy on the ABS unit uses information from a supplied yaw sensor and also brake pressure sensor for both front and rear circuits (I think rear sensor is informational only), and all of this information can be spewed out over the canbus along with wheelspeed data from each corner.

I currently collect wheelspeed data from the factory ABS, which outputs to the ADU digidash via digital inputs, then the ADU shares with the ECU via canbus so I can take the ADU middleman out now which frees up four digital inputs on that, though god knows what I’ll use them for.

Having everything laid out in front of me on the kitchen island was making this all feel a bit daunting. SCS have done a great job with the supplied wiring harness but it is not Lotus specific, and is intended to be generic. With most ABS units living in an engine bay, alongside an engine I think the branch lengths are not really ideal for a Lotus architecture.

That said, as soon as I started draping it over the car in the garage it was all feeling a lot more doable. I think I only need to extend one branch for the yaw sensor, but everything else will reach where I need it to go. If anything, I’m likely to have a load of excess wiring bunched up in a few places, so I need to think about how much that bothers me and if shortening certain bits is worthwhile.

Aforementioned draping

Installation gives me a few challenges to chew on, some I have solutions in flight but others are still awaiting inspiration.

  1. Also applies to the tilton remote bias adjuster knob but I have very limited dash space in the 2-Eleven for mounting new switches and buttons. When strapped in, I only have two panels I can reach and they’re already fairly occupied:

The doorcard driver panel:

The Centre lightswitch panel, you can see what I’m thinking here:

Plan is to get them both remade, with a slightly more condensed layout allowing for more buttons to be fitted. Centre panel will contain all of the light switches, and will relocate starter button here. Side panel will contain the TC knob, ABS Slip knob and Bias knob.

I then still need to find space for the ABS toggle switch and the ABS error light. The error light is somewhat redundant as my ADU will display the warnings received via canbus, but having it mounted somewhere as a failsafe alarm probably still makes sense.

  1. Plumbing, not really a challenge as such but is something I need to get my head around. I’d tied myself in knots for ages on flexible braided hoses vs solid lines, but have decided for now to go flexible as it will give me different mounting options in the short term while I figure everything out. The flexible runs into the chassis hard lines will be very short.

  2. Wheelspeed sensors, Lotus use GM bearing packs with integrated sensors and my old fashioned ones would not work with a Motorsport ABS install. Luckily Lotus switched to a fancy Bosch ESP/ABS system in later life - whilst keeping all other suspension components largely the same, so there’s a plug and play option already available - and pretty cheap direct from SKF:

The wiring plug though is different to those supplied on the SCS wiring, so I need to make some adapters.

  1. Mounting, obviously the pump needs a home. The OEM location by the OSF wheelarch could maybe be used, but there’s a massive void in the 2-Eleven where the Elise/Exige HVAC stuff lives and I’d like to use that if possible. Moves the unit to the centreline of the car, lower down and makes for tidier wiring/plumbing routes. Still working on this.

  2. Finally, electronics/data. As I said earlier I need to extend the yaw sensor wiring at least to mount the yaw sensor at the CoG of the car (somewhere under the handbrake). Then we have the canbus stuff, me being me started working on this weeks ago before I even had decided on buying a kit.

This is a mockup of an ABS diagnostics page I could have on the digidash,

The dual pressor sensors will give me a real-time reading of what the balance % is like between the front and rear circuits, which will help me when ‘dialling in’ the tilton balance bar. With the balance bar at 50:50, my real “at the disc” bias is actually 60F/40R due to the different calipers so I need to keep that in mind - but it’s good to have figures to reference when trying to find the sweetspot.

The “slip switch” settings will also take some learning. I guess for someone as clubfooted as me in a car the finesse between the 9(?) settings is probably lost. But it should be reasonable to expect that I can find a ‘dry’ mode and a ‘wet’ mode. Backed by data I’d like to think I can substitute my lack of car dynamic appreciation to find an optimal setting for both the balance bar and the slip switch.

That brings us roughly up to speed. I’d really like to have the plumbing done before Christmas and maybe even fluid in and bled. I go away for two weeks on Boxing Day then I have some building work potentially kicking off when I get back, so being able to get the 2-Eleven out of the garage and into my trailer to hide for a bit would be ideal. I don’t need fully functioning ABS for that, but having a bit of brake pedal would be nice.

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Oh, and before buying the SCS I did get to speak to a chap who’s using a kit on his Atom. The feedback was very, very good - and this is from somebody that has experience of the Bosch kits too.

I think it’s fair to say the SCS stuff is probably a generation or two behind what Bosch/Continental are doing with their market leading kits - but if it frees up the limitations of the OE system with my new braking setup, whilst adding components to the strategy that help performance driving vs “just being safe” then it’s a good place for me to be.

It’s also worth noting that all MS ABS kits tell you at every opportunity that they are not for road use due to liability. I did speak to my insurance about this, and the path of least resistance would appear to be to declare my car as having the ABS removed - and only ever drive it on the road with the system isolated. I’d probably have real thoughts and concerns about this if it was a road car, but I’m literally only ever loading it on/off a trailer nowadays so it bothers me a lot less. Still worth calling out though to anybody considering this.

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I am naive with ABS kit - what upgrades/features would be offered in a market leading kit as opposed to a SCS which is a generation or two out?

Usual caveat from low volume manufacturers when its so expensive to get items type approved.

Me too! To be honest they’re a bit of a black box to me at the moment but the Bosch/Conti kits have steadily evolved over the last 10 years or so. Physical developments are more along the lines of packaging (smaller/lighter - The GenII SCS one is 2kg lighter than their own GenI apparently) but also performance attributes such as how many times per second the circuit can modulate pressures, etc.

Then you have the software/strategy side. The addition of a yaw sensor over most oldschool OEM systems allows for a lot more cleverererer stuff to go on, particulary when braking into a corner and releasing brake pressure on the inside edge etc to help maintain stability.

By all accounts when you have a MS ABS system properly dialled in, you don’t really get that thump-thump-thump feeling through the brake pedal, it’s a much more fine-grained sensation because the system is just operating far quicker and at a higher resolution.

It’s just been the steady evolution of all of that, but I really don’t know - it could be a rebadged M5 for all I know running the latest tech! But the price suggests otherwise.

Yeah I think even my wishbone bearings say “race use only” on them. It doesn’t concern me much, but it’s worth calling out.

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Useful info! Thanks!