I read that also with the reflash the car is still an ecological car so i suppose that the ECU will continue to cut all the benefits coming from decat or induction kit like the stock…
So no gains for all that money?
Is this a good upgrade to do?
I dont think de cating and induction kits really give any massive improvement in performance anyway? Its not like swapping the ECU suddenly increases airflow 20% it just doesn’t happen (unless you’ve got a turbo).
If you want to make significant improvements in performance then you need to look at cams, exhaust manifolds, ported heads or bolting on a blower of some sort.
On the other hand if you just want to get a nice improvement in driveability then the ECU is a good thing.
The Lotus ECU is only trying to protect your engine from melting after all, if you want to run it leaner and get a few more ponies then you need an aftermarket ECU, but dont go to the Lotus dealer expecting him to repair your engine when it fails.
On the other hand if you just want to get a nice improvement in driveability then the ECU is a good thing.
That’s exactly what it is. It’s not a Turbo, new cams, pistons, exhaust etc.
Well put mate :up
If thats all it does it should be a free reflash imo.
Yes, because Lotus Sport don’t need to make a profit, they’re just lovely people working for the general benefit of mankind
… and Lotus should retro fit a supercharger FOC too!
you buy a car for 34k which does not drive that well.
a reflash comes out which does not make the car any quicker at all, just make it drivable and then you have to pay �465 for a reflash.
or �934 for a new ECU.
You would think Lotus would be more loyal than that imo.
I had 3 free reflash’s for My CSL from BMW.
If Lotus have a stage 3 kit with a better tune + induction and stage 3 exhaust then yes put it to market.
But drivable reflash’s which are way over priced is a bit of a joke.
Its a tough call, but I think people need to differentiate between Lotus and Lotus Sport. Lotus do indeed have reflahes available which I’m sure dont cost anything to do but Lotus Sport is a different division, like Mercedes and AMG for example.
To be fair to Lotus, they have done at least one free ECU remap to fix problems with it.
Don’t forget that Toyota, a very big company with a massive development budget were happy with the drivability of this engine with the cam switching at higher revs.
This latest effort is not a fix, it’s an upgrade. It’s had a cost to Lotus Sport in terms of development, and any modification from the original spec must create some risk in terms of reliability, I’m sure part of the cost is to cover possible extra warranty claims in the future.
Although thinking about it, this upgrade may actually reduce the number of engines being damaged by overrevving
you buy a car for 34k which does not drive that well.
a reflash comes out which does not make the car any quicker at all, just make it drivable and then you have to pay �465 for a reflash.
or �934 for a new ECU.
You would think Lotus would be more loyal than that imo.
I had 3 free reflash’s for My CSL from BMW.
If Lotus have a stage 3 kit with a better tune + induction and stage 3 exhaust then yes put it to market.
But drivable reflash’s which are way over priced is a bit of a joke.
I don’t think 0-60 is the primary goal here, but I can imagine that with lowering the cam change point (and hp increase coming earlier), that actual preformance is increased. But then again that’s nothing you want to talk in the bar about…
I have a BMW and a Lotus. BMW made over �1,000,000,000 (yes 1 Billion Euros) from Jan to March this year. Lotus group didn’t make any.
I would expect BMW to give me a free reflash with the profits they are currently making.
I am happy to pay for the “Upgrade” on my lotus. I aggree with Brenden who said Toyota (worlds largest car maker) were happy with the engine in a heavy steel car.
As I am sure you have read Lotus are not in a good way at the moment as most of the manager (and soon ex managers) cars are up for sale.
Give Lotus a break. Every one wants something for nothing.
For the improved drivability it’s worth the money.
Ex 77
Lotus do offer upgraded ecu maps free of charge. i am about to get one the next time i take my exige S in for service. The difference is Lotus cars has done this as part of the continuing development process. many customers will not even realise a new map has been installed. The dealer will just do it to each S that comes in.
A Lotus motorsport developed part is another matter. Its no different to Emerald or Janspeed developing something for our cars. They do it as a buisness, to make money.
If you were happy to buy the car in full knowledge of its driving characteristics, wtf should Lotus give you a performance enhancing upgrade FOC
This “I should have it for free” attitude is so ludicrous, why are we even discussing it?
Its a “performance upgrade” not a warranty fix… FFS
I brought the car to S/c / Turbo it
I have always thought it drives sh1t as standard.
The reflash does not increase performance.
The reflash just means you dont have to red line the bugger to keep it on cam.
Every one hates the cam change point i stand by it should be free.
All it proves is people are so pi55ed off with it they will pay �934 to fix the issue.
Apart from the first line in your post above, I can’t see why you bought the car
There’s cheaper/easier ways to get big BHP if thats what you want. But, Lotus is a giant killer on track
Tim.
I have always thought it drives sh1t as standard.
Thanks mate
I have always thought it drives sh1t as standard.
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If it drove ok there would be no reflash to drop the cam point.
Now thats a fact.
It changes the car so much the people who have had it now love there cars more than ever.
I did have a few drinks last night but it does not stop the fact that 2nd to 3rd gear is a right pain on road and track.
I would have brought an Exige 2 years ago because i love the car and have test driven it 3 times to try and like it.
Its only now 2 years on i have got one because of what can now be done to improve it.
The ECU will save the 111R and Exige from what it is and I find myself now torn between going the whole hog and SC/Turbo it or paying an overpriced �935 to fix a bad map.
which would leave me more cash for 46MM ohlins, 4 pot AP’s and one of Jim’s sweet exhausts.
Its a shame such a small thing can ruin a car and it,s why there is a small Que forming for the new reflash what ever the price.
Ofcourse its imho but with an Emerald round the corner which will be able to take advantage of Headers, Induction, Exhaust and Cam switch over point people are now faced with whats the best way forward.
Sorry if you thought my post in a drunken state last night was a bit harsh.
But the cam switch has kept me away from Lotus cars for 2 years and now there are many ways around the problem I dont know which way to turn.
Here is to a brighter Exige /111R future
I agree with you entirely. I’ll be popping over to see Weltmeister as soon as my car’s fixed.
I am sortof regretting not buying a Noble M12 at the moment… but I’ll get over over it as soon as I get it back… I bet a turbo Exige will feel rather special.
you get a lot of nice things for your cash thats for sure
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and a 8.5 seconds 100 Mph car to scare the HondaSC boys