2007 Lotus 2-Eleven

No, in terms of an alternate fix for manual shifting on track other than the 2-Eleven :wink:

I did explore the E153 at length when I had my Exige. It is bulletproof, and does fit somewhat well - but it’s just an awful box to pair up to a 2ZZ I think.

The 5 speed ratios just don’t suit the 8500rpm limit, I think the only way to get it feel anywhere near cohesive is to slap a massive turbo on and have it work with that power delivery.

… hmmm, massive turbo you say

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Take apart your laminova, as you can get repair kits - seals and stuff. When you take it apart, you will see why it would never be clean with just flushing.

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Thanks for keeping up the posts. Really enjoying :+1:

I should update the 340R thread!

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Turns out that this wasn’t a terrible suggestion, thanks John!

Rebuild kit was inexpensive and a doddle to do, well worth doing.

The electric oil pump was less serviceable, so had to stick my hand in my pockets to replace that to be on the safe side.

In all likelihood it would be “fine”, but there was a fair bit of scoring on the walls of the gear housing, so efficiency would certainly be down. Will keep hold of it because every now and then I come across a requirement to move large quantities of liquid from one place to another… might come in handy!

Perhaps pessimistic, but I’d like to protect the re-investment this time by fitting a pre-filter to the pump. Mocal recommend a 240 micron filter, and so have bought this with the new pump.

Packaging may be a bit of a challenge because it’s much bigger than I expected, so once gearbox is back in I’ll play with some layouts and see where it can fit.

I suppose it does beg the question of why should I refit the cooler? It was fitted in the hope that keeping gearbox temps in check would prevent failures and it’s clearly not worked. After further thought on it though, I am happy to keep the cooler on, under the basis that it DOES lower temps on track considerably and some of the side benefits you get such as persistent shift quality and perhaps better synchro wear etc are still worth having the pump on. Also found niche benefit from having it on during sprint events too, in which you can use it to actually pre-heat the gearbox from the engine coolant temp when you have 45-50mins of downtime then a quick 70 second sprint.

Aside from cooler stuff, I got to work prepping the engine side ready for reinstall.

I’ve had a rear main seal in stock for a while, because of the three 2ZZ cars I’ve had in this state before - 2 of them had early signs of weeping. This one however was bone dry and clean, I debated internally about swapping it anyway but in the end bottled it. It’s not hard to fit, but I would be rather annoyed with myself if I cocked it slightly and ended up introducing a weep that would not be identified until the car was back together… So seal can go back into storage, for now.

Flywheel on with ARP bolts.

Followed by the Competition Clutch.

Just a waiting game now to get the box(es) back. I’m away the next couple of weekends so it’ll very much be an evenings job to rebuild the car before Croft. I’ll also have no chance of getting the 500 recommended “running in” miles on the clutch so we’ll see how that goes.

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Eeeee. Quite behind on updates!

Datum completed my gearbox rebuild on time as promised, and conveniently I was due to land at Heathrow the very next day so was able to collect the box and the unmolested spare on the way home.

Along with the boxes, I was handed a pile of old gears and a handful of photos:

Crack testing the survivors:


So as a reminder, the original box is now rebuilt with:

-Quaife LSD

  • SSC/Holinger uprated 3rd/4th
  • New synchros/bearings/seals/etc as needed

Box was also cleaned up nicely, so had an enjoyable few mins bolting all of my bits back on such as aftermarket linkage, clutch fork/bearing, various mounts, etc.

Note the two studs coming out just below my hand. They’re normally bolt holes , as with the two larger studs further down. I convert these to studs because the threads are delicate as arse, and also quite awkward to refit when the box is in situ. Studs makes it a load easier/safer… remember this bit though.

While the gearbox was away, I also ticked another job off which was to extend the isolated positive post from the engine bay into the battery box. This post is taken from the cut-off switch, so anything fed by it is isolated when the cut off switch is removed.

My new ABS had been draining my lightweight battery because it was fed directly from the battery. By doing this, that allows me to have that isolated too when the cut-off is removed.

Was just a case of adding a battery lead to this:

And adding another identical box into the battery box inside the car.

With all that done it’s time to refit the box. Had a weekend away coming up so Jamie popped round to help me hoof it back in. Across my own cars and others that I’ve helped on, this should have been my 5th(?) refit of a gearbox into a Lotus and it was by far the most difficult. It fought us every step of the way, presumably because the engine had twisted slightly on its single mount and wooden support.

After about 45mins of hoofing, shoving and swearing it went in. I threaded a few bolts on and then vanished for the weekend.

Upon my return, I now had a week of weeknights and a weekend to finish the job before my next trackday at Croft. Plan was to just add a piece whenever I walked past the garage and it would just come to life gradually. First lunch break of the first day, I went to add the forward engine mount onto my aforementioned studs.

One of them just span, and span, and span. Despite loctiting them in - one of the studs was just freely spinning. Yikes.

Unfortunately that means box back out again…

…and sure enough, almost no threads in one of the holes - barely half a thread at the bottom which my stud had desperately hung onto when I hand-wound it into the casing. My own stupid fault, it clearly came out weeks ago when I first removed the box and didn’t visually check the threads before adding the studs. Doh.

As this is not virgin turf for me, I had a leftover kit of helicoils in this size so the turnaround wasn’t anticipated to be long… but I’d need to rope Jamie back in for another box refit.

Got drilling:

and tapping:

I had three helicoils left in my kit. Easy, I was riding a wave of helicoil confidence after fixing a fishing platform for my dad a week or two previous which involved about 16 M8 coils.

All three failed :expressionless:

Not sure what it was, but they just kept skipping threads. I managed to get one in properly, but then when I punched off the tang - it pulled a coil or two out of their home threads. Very, very annoying and would add another precious day of delay whilst ordering another kit.

The following day, Mr Amazon delivered a new kit and the tap on it was visually sharper. It felt like it was cutting a slightly deeper thread and was a joy to twist in by hand. I was feeling confident, perhaps my old tap was just past it’s best.

I’d also actually followed the instructions on the coil set this time too, and adjusted a little collar down the tool to apply downward pressure into the coil as it wound in.

First coil, straight in. That’s better.

I did consider removing the other stud and proactively coiling that but at this point I didn’t want to push my luck… I tried several times to torque the nuts down and both held nice and solid.

Jamie appeared again and the box went back in. Still wasn’t straight forward, but much quicker than pre-weekend. Jamie also stuck around and helped me make some leaps in progress to get caught back up including stuff like starter motor, all the engine mounts, slave cylinder, etc. Was now back on track, but still would be tight as I was being whisked away with work for a day.

What followed was a couple of late nights just cobbling together suspension, driveshafts, exhausts, etc. No particular drama, other than wasting a load of time on the brake calipers. Muscle memory still routing the hose for their original location, then realising I needed to take half of the upright apart again to thread the caliper back round to it’s new position at the front side of the disc.

Plumbing in my gearbox oil cooler was a bit messy trying to make room for the new (rather large) in-line filter with the bits of AN-8 hosing and fixtures that I had lying around. It all needs to come apart and be done properly, but this will work for now.

Did a fluids service:

…and topped coolant back up and bled.

Running the car up for the first time was nerve wracking, readers of my Exige thread may remember getting this far before and then discovering that the Competition Clutch pressure plate was faulty and my clutch wouldn’t disengage. Luckily this one worked a treat.

Things were getting close now, I made a small software change to the ECU to reflect the addition of the differential. This is a strategy change to the TC to tell it to pay attention to the slowest wheel rather than the fastest wheel in effect.

All was left at this point was a road test… but no MOT. I’m fortunate enough to live right next to a private lane (and yes, it really is private) where I keep my trailer, so was able to at least select a couple of gears and demonstrate it was there or therabouts. Then I washed it, and put it straight in the trailer!

First proper mileage would be the sighting laps at Croft!

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Great update :+1:

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Fab work :+1:

Wish you a great day and lots of enjoyment!

Qiestion re tires and brakepads - when you have changed to different /softer tires in the past have you noticed a difference in braking efficiency?
I recently changed from 888 GG’s to new avon zzr’s and I feel my XP8 brake pads are now struggling to stop the car as hard as they could stop the 888s. Bleeding and new fluid has not changed this impression. I feel like changing to CL pads for the first time ever.

Honestly? No.

It stands to reason that changing a tyre compound for one particularly more or less grippy than the last will impact braking performance but I wouldn’t expect to see a drop-off going from 888’s to ZZR.

I’ve run XP8 before, and I’m a big fan of them - but they do take a bit of heat to get the best out of them.

Woo! Croft day.

As I said previously car had basically zero miles on it since the box, clutch, flywheel and new diff went on so I was a little nervous. Not really nervous about the box, but more that I’d neglected something silly on the rebuild and I’d be faced with a leak, or worse.

Only issue to note on the sighting laps was the idle in the pitlane. It was lumpy as hell, to the point I could barely see through the vibrations. It smoothed out fine once driving, but the idle was unbearable. I could hear/feel that the ignition advance was hunting up and down to try and meet target.

On return the pits I whipped the laptop out, threw a bit more air and fuel at the car to relax the ignition correction a bit and it smoothed out a treat. It probably needs a bit more tuning at various temps, but it was infinitely better to get through the rest of the day.

I can only assume that the lightweight flywheel is to blame, just changing that inertia a bit was enough to put the delicate idle tune out of bounds. Just another lesson on how well the OEM’s do to make such adaptable ECU maps on their cars.

Weather was looking stonking, which seems to be a rarity this year.

Headed out for the first session feeling pretty apprehensive, steady away - eyes on gauges and glaring at the mirrors like a hawk looking out for plumes of smoke etc, but no such drama.

I’ll be honest in saying that I was tentative for about a lap and a half, then I just got on with it. What will be will be, and all that. Car was feeling good. The Differential immediately noticeable when powering out of slow/medium speed corners.

As I ramped the speed up a bit going into the second session, I started feeling the rear of the car was a bit loose on entry to a couple of corners which I’ve put down to maybe the rear toe potentially needing a tweak after refitting the gearbox.

On the second(?) session I found myself behind Steve in his spectacular 430 Cup Exige and we found a nice rhythm for a few laps. I think we’d both admit to still being a bit scruffy so early in the day but the cars had a good contrast to each other over a lap both demonstrated very different ways to tackle Croft.

Lotus 2-Eleven and Exige 430 Cup at Croft Circuit (youtube.com)

Between fillups, oil checks and regular engine bay inspections I lapped around without incident up to lunchtime.

The A052 tyres were yielding lots of grip, but the only repeatable flaw in the car was the lack of turn-in grip at the rear. A few times in the final hairpin and the first Hawthorne section the car caught me out a bit. The occasional LSD induced slide out of the hairpin was fun on the power though!

When the rear did settle and I could really attack Hawthorne, the tyres did their bit… well, three of them did.

The afternoon continued nicely, it had cooled down noticeably with a bit of cloud cover which made the early afternoon feel genuinely a bit slower, but after ramping the tyres back up we were soon back on form.

Mid-late afternoon I gave Jamie (custodian of my old Exige) the keys and he took the 2-Eleven out for some laps.

I think he enjoyed it, and it’s good to share the experience occasionally.

I enjoy still having close contact with my old Exige, it was a fantastic car and its great to see it still out there getting a battering.

I didn’t fancy having a go though… ex’s n’ all that. Plus I really don’t have the energy for another gearbox swap this month.

I did spend some mental capacity working on some driving technique bits, but the day was largely about getting confident with the car again. I was quite surprised to learn just how much quicker the car went compared to last year. My trip here last year was immediately after Spa where I was still frantically trying to find a balanced brake setup. The differences were stark, adding to the brake/ABS improvements of course the A052 surely adding considerable speed.

I really tried had to add some commitment through the JC esses. I could conclude only that if I did the first bit flat, the second bit needed a massive lift, or I could do a massive lift for the first bit and do the second bit flat - but eventually settled on some nice balanced throttle all the way through. I’m sure this car will do the full thing flat, but I’m still a knacker short of a pair I fear!

Sunny in/out was immense fun, and felt like I was loads faster here both compared to my previous visits but also it was the most notable difference between the 2-Eleven and the other cars in attendance. Without ever really getting close to the exit run-off I was able to carry plenty of speed. Still more to come which is scary!

Lotus 2-Eleven at Croft Circuit (youtube.com)

Only real negative of the day was when I got stuck behind an Elise for a bit which was pretty nippy in a straight line, but either had no idea I was there for several laps or knew I was there and wasn’t interested in letting me by. Usual trackday tale but very rare for a LoT day. I let it get to me on the third or fourth lap and gave him a polite wink of the lights to help him to spot me… which is against the rules and I was rightly reprimanded as a result. Lesson learned and always happy to share the good with the bad!

Called it a day a session early, because I was really feeling knackered. Still battered and bruised from the gearbox swap(s) (it really is a physical ordeal!) and probably had been burning the wick at both ends. Ribs, back and neck were all feeling it - so got packed up and headed off high on relief, but also really happy I’d put the car through its paces and hadn’t held back too much!

Wheeled the car into the garage genuinely having nothing to really fix. I may take a look at the idle tuning a bit next time I fire it up but I think I sorted it in the pits, though I probably should whip the undertray off for a proper inspection too.

Happy days, big gap till my next booking now (October!!) so need to check some calendars and see if I can get out once more during “Summer”.

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Shoutout to @PaulT for the excellent photos too!

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Hah. hahahaha!

Car had been parked for a few weeks. Had some holiday, no MOT on the car anyway and just not enough time to get it booked so the summer and opportunities to take the car out on the road were just slipping by.

Finally got a spurt of motivation, so decided to lift the car up and just doublecheck the gearbox plumbing to find a load of CV grease on the undertray.

It must have split at Croft, at the exact same place where it split at Spa - one year to the day apart.

There’s a machined lug on the engine that sticks out and is the nearest point of contact for a swelling CV boot, and this was… fettled a bit to grant more clearance but it’s clearly not enough.

I had other motivations to get the car out of the garage for a bit, so I just stuffed it in the trailer and delivered to @seriouslylotus with a polite request to get it sorted for me.

Whilst it’s in, I’ve also asked about getting a larger capacity fuel tank fitted. It’s been on my list for ages, and I just keep finding other things to do - so would be good to get this in for a quality of life upgrade on trackdays.

Over to John and Dave now, next outing booked is Oulton later in October.

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Thread Neglect Alert!

A lot has happened since Croft, but very little involving the 2-Eleven.

As promised, I dropped the car with John and Dave who sorted the CV Boot out for me, including a small modification to add a breather pipe to the smaller end of it in a hope to make this one last a little longer.

Whilst in, I finally had a Pro Alloy 60litre tank fitted to give me slightly fewer headaches on trackdays and reduce how much faffing I need to do with jerrycans etc.

In addition to these bits, John spotted a few other things that needed remedy:

  • Waterpump was leaking, so was swapped
  • Gearbox plumbing was a little untidy, so it was tidied
  • Front undertray fixings were steadily vanishing one by one, so were replenished.

I think that’s about it?

Whilst all this was going on, it was time to say goodbye to the garage that has seen so much Lotus tinkering over the last six years.

Over the years this garage has done three wishbone refurbs, four C64 Gearbox swaps, countless oil/fluid changes, three clam-off winters and has done a fantastic job in general of hiding me from my family.

However, onwards and upwards. I’ve moved house and now have access to a bigger workshop space, which needs some work doing - but it’s a great start.

It’s a ~300 year old barn, which has been prepped to become a small granny flat alongside a double garage. I knocked down the interior dividing wall which left me one large workshop space, roughly the size of three x double garages all side by side.

As there’s only one door on it currently, this gives some challenges but nothing that can’t be done - and the floor on the “granny flat” side is also 130mm higher due to the insulation.

Sealed the concrete, then got it filled with my crap.

Some new garage furniture arrived:

…and also a stablemate. Not sure whether to do a thread on this yet, as I’m not sure I have time to do it justice - but I am putting a couple of little vids on YT and keeping my IG up to date with progress for those that are interested.

Finally repatriated the 2-Eleven.

Oulton Park next, so time to stop playing with the big-boy lego and get the Lotus out for the first time since early July.

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Jealous of your new garage workshop.

Following you on IG and your build but please keep us posted on the Lotus.
It looks like the Cateringvan will be No.1 interest next year.

Double Trackday Update!

Was finally time to get back on track, twice! Had Oulton Park and Silverstone on consecutive weeks, both with Lotus on Track.

Weather for Oulton was forecast dry, but it wasn’t.

Remained wet all morning and most of the afternoon, with the slightest hints of a dry line by the final session.

Wet trackdays can be treacherous at the best of times, but Oulton really is a special case. Still, the A052 tyres held up their end and kept me broadly on the black stuff with only the odd adventure onto the larger kerbs.

The morning looked much like this:

Car was going well though, was the first time to get some proper mileage on the SCS ABS system in slippery conditions, and it really was impressive. It gave heaps of confidence on the brakes and though the 2-Eleven was far from its peak braking performance, it felt safe and allowed me to attack a couple of places. Particularly the second chicane on the back straight, knowing that I had a coned run-off if I overdid it.

Though humbled by the guys on proper Avon wets, the 52’s continued to impress through the morning, and knowing that they’d immediately switch on as a competent dry tyre if the line dried up was icing on the cake. I still stand by my assessment earlier in the year that AR1 feel like a more assertive dry track tyre, but no questioning the all-round ability of the Yokohamas.

The waterproof condom suit got plenty of mileage.

Puddle

Into the afternoon the pace picked up a bit and the faintest dry line appeared. Still had to be incredibly careful under the trees though!


(excellent photo by Mark Holmes. Thanks for this!)

The fabled dry line:

A random lap from the afternoon. Actually I think this may have been the final flyer.

Lotus 2-Eleven at Oulton Park

Interesting to hear tyre squeal on a video. I think that’s new. Perhaps a characteristic of the A052 not quite being up to sticky temps, but good enough to just about hang on!

If I remember right, this final session was a long one - close to 40 mins and was dragged out by following a Caterham of some description for the last 4-5 laps. Was great fun, and felt like we had the place to ourselves. Despite lapping somewhat similarly, it was fun to see the huge differences in performance at various points. Fair to say too that the Caterham driver had to be far more committed than I did to maintain that pace, he was frequently flying over the curbs and landing semi-sideways with a flare of sparks coming from whatever part of his chassis hit the floor. Very cool!

The day finished well, and without any real drama… except one little niggle. The car smelt a bit “petrolly”. This was the first outing with the new 60litre tank so I’d convinced myself it was just maybe some residue that had been sploshed around, but it was harder and harder to ignore especially after the tank had been brimmed.

With that in mind, and with very little time before Silverstone Dave and John @seriouslylotus very kindly offered to get the car in for a very quick check.

The verdict was that the original filler pipe was probably a bit past its best. It passed any visual check, and certainly wasn’t cracked or perished but it was ‘hard’ enough to be questionable, and John worked miracles to source a replacement. Cutting it so fine it was, that John even delivered my car straight to Silverstone for me. How is that for service?!

Silverstone was more of the same in terms of track conditions, but somewhat different circumstances. It didn’t rain all day, bit instead we had a very heavy lingering fog which made your face wet just from walking through the paddock, and as such the track stayed wet all day. Not even a dry line this time!

That said, as far as wet trackdays go this was FANTASTIC. I’m not sure if it had enough to wrestle the various Anglesey days off their top spot for wet trackday fun but it wasn’t far off.

Again the A052 stepped up and kept me “safe”, and allowed me to push on more than I’ve ever done before on a wet track, especially considering how high-speed much of Silverstone is.

The car lapped it up. Faster corners enjoyed a good turn-in, slight mid-corner understeer which once harnessed meant I could push right up to the limit fairly safely, with only a few occasions calling for fresh pants around Copse where I’d slightly over-do it and get a twitch of oversteer on exit.

In the slower corners I found the front end a little impatient sometimes, but could be driven around fairly easily once I got into my groove. Lead to plenty of entry oversteer once I got the braking balance right into a corner, and in most cases could be easily controlled through the corner… just… not always.

Slippery Silverstone

Regrettably, I had gopro issues in the late afternoon which is a real shame because I had some excellent laps with some other PH’ers (one perspective posted above!) and also put some pretty tidy laps together if I don’t say so myself.

I think this was the session either just before, or just after lunch which I did manage to capture in full - so here’s a clear lap from that.

Lotus 2-Eleven at Silverstone

(The track looks dry, but I can assure you it’s not!)

I had Zach sat with me, another LoT’ers Son who was celebrating his 18th birthday. A little mistake on braking into Stowe, and the oversteer was a little excessive out of the Loop but otherwise fairly tidy.

Luffield was an interesting corner all day, sort of four wheel sliding round that. Understeer and oversteer all at once. Almost certainly something that could be driven around with a bit more talent, but I was quite enjoying it. Felt like when you take the corner between frozen aisle and menswear a bit too quickly with a Tesco trolley.

It really was a top day, so good in fact that as soon as Paul@LoT announced the Silverstone day for next year, I booked immediately.

Fuel smell sorted on the car, so the fuel filler pipe must have been the cause. The tank aside from the stink has been an excellent convenience upgrade. At both Silverstone and Oulton I refilled just once over lunch, no messing with jerry cans etc. I suspect on a dry/summer day that I’ll burn through a bit more, but still - pretty nice upgrade compared to sloshing cans about every other session.

Car got a quick wash the following weekend and then pushed into the garage, potentially for quite a while.

As much as I’ll miss it the Lotus, the Caterham is going to get most of my time/attention for the next year. Lotus absolutely is not going anywhere, so once I can get it up onto my ramp I’ll probably give it a good clean under the arches etc, maybe get a few bits off for refurb and generally just give it a pampering. I might even get my DA polisher out!

Into next year, I may back the dampers off a bit and just enjoy it on the odd sunny weekend where I’m not Caterham’ing. I barely turned a road-mile in it this year which was a shame.

I suspect I’ll get at least a couple of trackdays in, certainly once the Caterham season is finished in October but maybe a cheeky summer day to remind me what a fast car feels like!

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Super, great read

Agreed :+1:

Super photos :star_struck:

Brilliant to see how much use you get out of the 211. Your write ups had had me looking at the classifieds more than once!

What are the caterham specs?
You are crazy :grin::sunglasses::+1::+1: